Why Nevill didn't call the Police

[Hartley]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

[vidvic]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

Hi Hartley,

My question was aimed at smiffy who dismissed my reasoning earlier in the thread. I pointed out that team JB really NEED that call to be after he called Police.

[Hartley]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

Hi Hartley,

My question was aimed at smiffy who dismissed my reasoning earlier in the thread. I pointed out that team JB really NEED that call to be after he called Police.

Lost track a bit here, sorry. 

Just to clarify, why do team JB need to call to JM to be after JB's call to the police?

[vidvic]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

Hi Hartley,

My question was aimed at smiffy who dismissed my reasoning earlier in the thread. I pointed out that team JB really NEED that call to be after he called Police.

Lost track a bit here, sorry. 

Just to clarify, why do team JB need to call to JM to be after JB's call to the police?

Because it makes him look incredibly bad calling JM BEFORE he calls the Police, if his 'terrified' father had called asking for help. And obviously, if it was actually before he was supposedly called by Nevill then he should have been asleep, which is what is believed by the jury.

[Hartley]

Because it makes him look incredibly bad calling JM BEFORE he calls the Police, if his 'terrified' father had called asking for help. And obviously, if it was actually before he was supposedly called by Nevill then he should have been asleep, which is what is believed by the jury.

If it was before Nevill allegedly called JB, then JB should not have been aware of the 'trouble at the farm' (if he was innocent of course).

[vidvic]

Because it makes him look incredibly bad calling JM BEFORE he calls the Police, if his 'terrified' father had called asking for help. And obviously, if it was actually before he was supposedly called by Nevill then he should have been asleep, which is what is believed by the jury.

If it was before Nevill allegedly called JB, then JB should not have been aware of the 'trouble at the farm' (if he was innocent of course).

Exactly! Plus 1.. ....lol

[curiousessex]

Because it makes him look incredibly bad calling JM BEFORE he calls the Police, if his 'terrified' father had called asking for help. And obviously, if it was actually before he was supposedly called by Nevill then he should have been asleep, which is what is believed by the jury.

If it was before Nevill allegedly called JB, then JB should not have been aware of the 'trouble at the farm' (if he was innocent of course).

................. and that is the most important bit. Jeremy admits to talking about trouble at the farm in the telephone call to Julie. Irrelevant of any poor police investigation.

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Jeremy details that he was asleep before receiving the alleged call from Nevill.

[chochokeira]

Smite away people for my next comment, i'll consider them as applauds.

Do you want to know Smiffy what the accumulative odds are for everyone to be involved in some conspiracy?

And to not break rank for 26 years?

You, i, and others, have to accept that some statements are done to the best of peoples memory.

Maybe, just maybe, the one person thats not telling the truth is serving in prison??

And yes, i know he took a lie detector test, totally unreliable.

Hi Paul,

You will know what the odds are of winning the lottery: 1 in almost 14 million.

What are the odds of there never, in the history of the world being a conspiracy of the size that would be required here?

[Hartley]

Smite away people for my next comment, i'll consider them as applauds.

Do you want to know Smiffy what the accumulative odds are for everyone to be involved in some conspiracy?

And to not break rank for 26 years?

You, i, and others, have to accept that some statements are done to the best of peoples memory.

Maybe, just maybe, the one person thats not telling the truth is serving in prison??

And yes, i know he took a lie detector test, totally unreliable.

Hi Paul,

You will know what the odds are of winning the lottery: 1 in almost 14 million.

What are the odds of there never, in the history of the world being a conspiracy of the size that would be required here?

Other than Christianity you mean?

EDIT:
Forgot Disclaimer: (this was just a bad joke, there was no intention to mock anybodies religious beliefs during the making of this post)

[curiousessex]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

In order to accomodate the theory that the 3.26 log relates to Nevill calling the police and that this was the reason for Jeremy getting the engaged tone when he rang Nevill back. Jeremy admits he tried to call Nevill back straight away after the line went dead. Jeremy distinctly remembers getting the engaged tone.

In this theory scenario Jeremy would therefore put the telephone call as received from Nevill to himself at just before 3.26 am.

[Hartley]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

In order to accomodate the theory that the 3.26 log relates to Nevill calling the police and that this was the reason for Jeremy getting the engaged tone when he rang Nevill back. Jeremy admits he tried to call Nevill back straight away after the line went dead. Jeremy distinctly remebers getting the engaged tone.

In this theory scenario Jeremy would therefore put the telephone call as received from Nevill to himself at just before 3.26 am.

Yes but that can't possibly be the case, as that would put JB's call to the police at 3:36 which would not give him time to arrive at whf at 3:48 bearing in mind the length of his call to the police.

If Nevill called the police (which I don't believe happened) then Nevills call must have been before 3:26 minus a few minutes for JB to look up the local police number in the yellow pages, and possibly minus the time it took him to call JM.

[Jerry]

Yes but that can't possibly be the case, as that would put JB's call to the police at 3:36 which would not give him time to arrive at whf at 3:48 bearing in mind the length of his call to the police.

If Nevill called the police (which I don't believe happened) then Nevills call must have been before 3:26 minus a few minutes for JB to look up the local police number in the yellow pages, and possibly minus the time it took him to call JM.

If Nevill had telephoned a police station wouldn't the call have been itemised on his telephone account along with that to Jeremy's house in Goldhanger?

[curiousessex]

Do you still believe this? That the call to JM by JB was supposed to be before JB called the Police?

It's a difficult one to pin down.

The simple fact is that no matter which way you swing it, JB was on the phone to the police between 3:26 and 3:37 (give or take a minute either way).

So the call from JB to JM must have been either before 3:26 or after 3:37.

Based on the arrival of JB at the scene of the murders at around 3:48, it would seem unlikely that he would have had the time to call JM after his call to the police and then and drive slowly to the whf.

It would therefore seem most likely that JB's call took place before he called the police at 3:26.

In order to accomodate the theory that the 3.26 log relates to Nevill calling the police and that this was the reason for Jeremy getting the engaged tone when he rang Nevill back. Jeremy admits he tried to call Nevill back straight away after the line went dead. Jeremy distinctly remebers getting the engaged tone.

In this theory scenario Jeremy would therefore put the telephone call as received from Nevill to himself at just before 3.26 am.

Yes but that can't possibly be the case, as that would put JB's call to the police at 3:36 which would not give him time to arrive at whf at 3:48 bearing in mind the length of his call to the police.

If Nevill called the police (which I don't believe happened) then Nevills call must have been before 3:26 minus a few minutes for JB to look up the local police number in the yellow pages, and possibly minus the time it took him to call JM.

I know and agree. Hence my repeated requests for Mike to post Jeremy's original WITNESS statement, as made on 7 / 8 the August 1985 which will include Jeremy's version of the time of the alleged call from Nevill.

It is my belief this will be the time Jeremy either received the alleged call from Nevill if innocent or the time Jermey wanted everyone to believe.

There remains a possibility that Jeremy's original WITNESS statement may corroborate with Ann Eaton's hand written notes.

[Jerry]

I know and agree. Hence my repeated requests for Mike to post Jeremy's original WITNESS statement, as made on 7 / 8 the August 1985 which will include Jeremy's version of the time of the alleged call from Nevill.

It is my belief this will be the time Jeremy either received the alleged call from Nevill if innocent or the time Jermey wanted everyone to believe.

There remains a possibility that Jeremy's original WITNESS statement may corroborate with Ann Eaton's hand written notes.

Jeremy's original witness statements.

He either doesn't have them or they are not helpful to Jeremy.  You choose?

[Hartley]

Yes but that can't possibly be the case, as that would put JB's call to the police at 3:36 which would not give him time to arrive at whf at 3:48 bearing in mind the length of his call to the police.

If Nevill called the police (which I don't believe happened) then Nevills call must have been before 3:26 minus a few minutes for JB to look up the local police number in the yellow pages, and possibly minus the time it took him to call JM.

If Nevill had telephoned a police station wouldn't the call have been itemised on his telephone account along with that to Jeremy's house in Goldhanger?

There was no detailed itemised billing at that time like there is today.

According to the 2002 Appeal Judgement anyway.