Why Nevill didn't call the Police

[tyler]

No,my emaphasis was/is that I find it a bit coincidental that none of them slept through a ringing telephone.That it awoke every single one of them.

[simong]

I have always found it fascinating,that all of Julies flatmates after spending an evening drinking and getting stoned,all  just happened to wake up when the phone was ringing and all just happened to glance at their clocks at that time.What are the odds of that?Not one of them sleeping through a ringing telephone.

odds wise, it is not that good 4-1 i think. Not 100's or 1000's -1. Can you point me to their statements or the evidence of Julie's mates spending their evening drinking and getting stoned. I am sure it must have happened and i am a tad jealous, but seeing them admit it would be great.

[paulg]

I have always found it fascinating,that all of Julies flatmates after spending an evening drinking and getting stoned,all  just happened to wake up when the phone was ringing and all just happened to glance at their clocks at that time.What are the odds of that?Not one of them sleeping through a ringing telephone.

odds wise, it is not that good 4-1 i think. Not 100's or 1000's -1. Can you point me to their statements or the evidence of Julie's mates spending their evening drinking and getting stoned. I am sure it must have happened and i am a tad jealous, but seeing them admit it would be great.

Have to work it out a little differently Si.

Each person has its own odds, its evens for each person, so a £1 accumulator would pay £16.

There was 4 flat mates?

[simong]

I thought Tylers point was, what was the odds of the people in the house sleeping through the phonecall. 4 people, 4-1 i thought, No?

[paulg]

I thought Tylers point was, what was the odds of the people in the house sleeping through the phonecall. 4 people, 4-1 i thought, No?

Obviously there's lots of other things that could sway the odds, like how loud the phone is, and where people are sleeping in relation to the phone.

But yes, its 4-1.

£16 back from a £1 stake though, as its 4 individual bets at evens, in an accumulator.

[simong]

Having thought about it, i think i see your point and odds. I was envisaging a four horse race with someone not waking up but Tyler wants the actual odds on them all waking up so 16-1. I get ya! Not massive though, i had a horse win at bigger tonight at Sligo!!

[tyler]

What a pair of absolute immature twats! And one of you a moderator aswell! I can see now why Paulg was never in the running to be a moderator and was chosen last because there was no one else,after much begging from his brother I might add.How very sad!
Should I report my grievances to a moderator? Oh I cant can I? One of the idiots is one!
I think that you should lose your moderator status for acting like a complete arsehole towards a member and making a mockery of the forum.
As that wont happen,I will cancel my membership instead.
I dont have to put up with that kind of treatment! 

[clifford]

What a pair of absolute immature twats! And one of you a moderator aswell! I can see now why Paulg was never in the running to be a moderator and was chosen last because there was no one else,after much begging from his brother I might add.How very sad!
Should I report my grievances to a moderator? Oh I cant can I? One of the idiots is one!
I think that you should lose your moderator status for acting like a complete arsehole towards a member and making a mockery of the forum.
As that wont happen,I will cancel my membership instead.
I dont have to put up with that kind of treatment! 

I thought Tylers question was relevant and should have responded to in a serious manner.
It is not right that members are ridiculed no matter what stance they take.
Tyler I hope you take the time to reconsider your decission, and rejoin the forum.
It is better to ignore negative posts. You must have a bit of Jackie in you.

[smiffy]

By the time the police spoke to JM's flatmates  it was over a month since the night in question. JM herself had plenty of time to steer their evidence. The police by this time had an agenda and a desire to manipulate the flatmates evidence to suit the police agenda of framing JB.

One broke in cross examination...the others seem to have held to their dodgy stories the police wanted them to give..in my view.

[curiousessex]

By the time the police spoke to JM's flatmates  it was over a month since the night in question. JM herself had plenty of time to steer their evidence. The police by this time had an agenda and a desire to manipulate the flatmates evidence to suit the police agenda of framing JB.

One broke in cross examination...the others seem to have held to their dodgy stories the police wanted them to give..in my view.

From the 2002 Appeal

292. The source of the first part of these allegations is a hand-written note made by Ann Eaton, who was present with Julie Mugford when she was seen by the police and made a statement on the day after the killings, 8 August. Ann Eaton made a statement to the police on 8 September. In that statement, Ann Eaton said:
“I recall that the officers were asking Julie what time she had received the second telephone call from Jeremy. She said it was 3.30 a.m. The police officer said that it was very important and that it must be right. Julie asked the officer if she could ring her flat in London to confirm the times. The officer agreed and she made a telephone call apparently to her flat. She spoke to somebody and queried the time, then turned and said, “3.15 a.m.”

The flatmates gave different times so if colluding, as detailed in your opinion, the colusion was wide open for exploitation and harsh probing questions by the defence at trial. They surely would have smelt blood and gone for broke. Jeremy had a prominent QC representing him at the original trial. A prime example would been the current stories about the Millie Dowler murder conviction. It has been reported the family of Millie Dowler stating the ordeal of the trial was not worth the conviction.

Besides what did the flatmates have to gain in Jeremy's potential conviction............. There are no reports of any of them having a deal with a newspaper and none were due to gain any inheritance. Such details have been made known in the defence's discrediting of other witnesses.

[Hartley]

By the time the police spoke to JM's flatmates  it was over a month since the night in question. JM herself had plenty of time to steer their evidence. The police by this time had an agenda and a desire to manipulate the flatmates evidence to suit the police agenda of framing JB.

One broke in cross examination...the others seem to have held to their dodgy stories the police wanted them to give..in my view.

Oh I don't know so much, due to their inconsistent recollections, it doesn't seem to be the case that they were briefed on what to say. If they all said the call was heard at 3:14 and 22 seconds then I would agree with you, but as they all indicated a different time then I don't immediately see how you arrive at your conclusion.

[curiousessex]

Operator terminated the open line connection, to allow DCI Harris to make contact with ACC peter Simpson by use of the kitchen phone at about 8:15am...

Well I guess Sheila could not have tried to make the call Keira was refering to in David Shaw's manuscript.

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So how did police make call to whf, at a time when line was open and giving an engaged tone?

Mike

I do not know if they did or did not. If you can post a reference to this in a call log or something similar or give a pointer to where it is detailed I will gladly provide you with a response.

Mike

Any update on this?

[vidvic]

By the time the police spoke to JM's flatmates  it was over a month since the night in question. JM herself had plenty of time to steer their evidence. The police by this time had an agenda and a desire to manipulate the flatmates evidence to suit the police agenda of framing JB.

One broke in cross examination...the others seem to have held to their dodgy stories the police wanted them to give..in my view.

From the 2002 Appeal

292. The source of the first part of these allegations is a hand-written note made by Ann Eaton, who was present with Julie Mugford when she was seen by the police and made a statement on the day after the killings, 8 August. Ann Eaton made a statement to the police on 8 September. In that statement, Ann Eaton said:
“I recall that the officers were asking Julie what time she had received the second telephone call from Jeremy. She said it was 3.30 a.m. The police officer said that it was very important and that it must be right. Julie asked the officer if she could ring her flat in London to confirm the times. The officer agreed and she made a telephone call apparently to her flat. She spoke to somebody and queried the time, then turned and said, “3.15 a.m.”

The flatmates gave different times so if colluding, as detailed in your opinion, the colusion was wide open for exploitation and harsh probing questions by the defence at trial. They surely would have smelt blood and gone for broke. Jeremy had a prominent QC representing him at the original trial. A prime example would been the current stories about the Millie Dowler murder conviction. It has been reported the family of Millie Dowler stating the ordeal of the trial was not worth the conviction.

Besides what did the flatmates have to gain in Jeremy's potential conviction............. There are no reports of any of them having a deal with a newspaper and none were due to gain any inheritance. Such details have been made known in the defence's discrediting of other witnesses.

And this is the day after the killings, not a month after.

[paulg]

What a pair of absolute immature twats! And one of you a moderator aswell! I can see now why Paulg was never in the running to be a moderator and was chosen last because there was no one else,after much begging from his brother I might add.How very sad!
Should I report my grievances to a moderator? Oh I cant can I? One of the idiots is one!
I think that you should lose your moderator status for acting like a complete arsehole towards a member and making a mockery of the forum.
As that wont happen,I will cancel my membership instead.
I dont have to put up with that kind of treatment! 

Erm, you asked a question based on odds, my brother attempted to answer the question.

I took my brother to task, and showed how the odds should be calculated.

I'm guessing you didn't like the odds?

The rest of your post is a personal attack, no need to takeaction, you've left.

[paulg]

What a pair of absolute immature twats! And one of you a moderator aswell! I can see now why Paulg was never in the running to be a moderator and was chosen last because there was no one else,after much begging from his brother I might add.How very sad!
Should I report my grievances to a moderator? Oh I cant can I? One of the idiots is one!
I think that you should lose your moderator status for acting like a complete arsehole towards a member and making a mockery of the forum.
As that wont happen,I will cancel my membership instead.
I dont have to put up with that kind of treatment! 

I thought Tylers question was relevant and should have responded to in a serious manner.
It is not right that members are ridiculed no matter what stance they take.
Tyler I hope you take the time to reconsider your decission, and rejoin the forum.
It is better to ignore negative posts. You must have a bit of Jackie in you.

Tylers question was answered, i suggest you read the replies.

So lets get this straight Cliff, someone makes a personal attack, and you reply with the above?