Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?

[Jackiepreece]

The point is Vic on numerous occasions she stood face to face with a shop assistant passing stolen cheques and not showing nerves

I think I am correct but I will check with NGB if JM had been caught she would have gone straight to Crown Court for fraud.  I think any case of fraud is treated as to serious to be dealt with at Magistrates court.

I would say a fraud adding up to thousands of pounds it was very likely she would have faced a prison sentence

She risked her career and future because of her greed

Being the experienced criminal I would think most people probably think the caravan robbery was her idea

I think risking your future for greed of money is an important factor showing her character

That's my point Vic

[vidvic]

from the 2002 appeal.

342. On 4 October, Susan Battersby and Julie Mugford went to the bank. They saw there Alan Dovey, an accountant with the bank who was acting as Branch Manager. A statement from Mr Dovey recording this visit was served upon the defence. Mr Dovey's statement included:

"I can say that on 4 October 1985 Miss Battersby came to the bank to see me with another girl who I know as a Miss Julie Mugford. Miss Battersby then informed me that she had not lost her cheque book but had been dishonest. Both stated that they were involved in the passing of the cheques. As a result of what they said I accepted their offer of paying the money back to the bank. In fact £320 has been paid to date and arrangements have been made for the outstanding amount to be paid at the rate of £50 per week. I can say that the bank was the loser in this matter and not the shops who accepted the cheques.

I am authorised on behalf of the bank to say that in view of the fact that the girls have confessed and agreed to pay back the monies the bank do not wish to prosecute in this case."


It was not "thousands" it was about £700

JB, in his own words, admitted that the caravan Park robbery was HIS idea, to "test the security".

Even the defence sollicitors at original trial were worried about JM's evidence as it had "The ring of truth about it"

[chochokeira]

Chocho Vidvic has gone!
I don't know about the house in the clouds what is it?

It's just started raining here have you had it yet I hope it really pours!

The House In The Clouds, Jackie:

http://been-seen.com/travel-spots/house-in-the-clouds

[vidvic]

The point is Vic on numerous occasions she stood face to face with a shop assistant passing stolen cheques and not showing nerves

I think I am correct but I will check with NGB if JM had been caught she would have gone straight to Crown Court for fraud.  I think any case of fraud is treated as to serious to be dealt with at Magistrates court.

I would say a fraud adding up to thousands of pounds it was very likely she would have faced a prison sentence

She risked her career and future because of her greed

Being the experienced criminal I would think most people probably think the caravan robbery was her idea

I think risking your future for greed of money is an important factor showing her character

That's my point Vic

Jackie,

As there are two blatant untruths or exaggerations then no, I don't accept your point.

[Jackiepreece]

Vic I made the point the £700 was in 1986 the value today was thousands.  What do you think £700 is worth now Vic do you not consider this a large amount of money and do you not agree enough to get her sent to prison for

[Hartley]

Vic I made the point the £700 was in 1986 the value today was thousands.  What do you think £700 is worth now Vic do you not consider this a large amount of money and do you not agree enough to get her sent to prison for

It's worth £1452.50

[chochokeira]

Vic I made the point the £700 was in 1986 the value today was thousands.  What do you think £700 is worth now Vic do you not consider this a large amount of money and do you not agree enough to get her sent to prison for

It's worth £1452.50

Can I ask which calculator you used, Harters?

Just like the clocks in this case, the various calculators available tend to provide different results.

[Hartley]

Vic I made the point the £700 was in 1986 the value today was thousands.  What do you think £700 is worth now Vic do you not consider this a large amount of money and do you not agree enough to get her sent to prison for

It's worth £1452.50

Can I ask which calculator you used, Harters?

Just like the clocks in this case, the various calculators available tend to provide different results.

I can't remember now. Looking again at the Bank of England website it comes out at about £1650.

http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/education/inflation/calculator/flash/index.htm

[grahameb]

There is lots of proof in the various corroborations we have in several statements.  After all, it was lovely Julie who spilled the beans on the whole Osea Caravan Park fiasco otherwise we would never have known about it.

Do they not have phone signals in Southwold?

Well if this crime had happened back in the very early 60's she would have beenb charged and found guilty by association. Also if she was charged with that crime she may even have been charged later with murder with JB and who knows she herself may still be in prison with JB?
So isn't it a pity that the law these days has been so corrupted.

[Jackiepreece]

I think she stole enough to send her to prison very lucky in the circumstances she must have been a very confident thief don't know how Jerry describes her at lovely

I wonder if she is as famous in Canada for her involvement in the murders

[grahameb]

I think she stole enough to send her to prison very lucky in the circumstances she must have been a very confident thief don't know how Jerry describes her at lovely

I wonder if she is as famous in Canada for her involvement in the murders

Her cheque fraud was nothing to do with JB. I think she was quite a competant crook all by herself?

[paulg]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

[Hartley]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

[Hartley]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

[paulg]

Chocho  and Paul + 1 each Paul what is my punishment? X

I'll think of something, just don't go AWOL again.

I'll think of something far ya 

}Paulg mode on{ Well it does just go to show what a lovely a conscientious person she was, she did the right thing, she didn't get caught for the cheque fraud, she saw the error of her ways, handed herself in and turned supergrass. {Paulg mode off}

Paul, you should keep your head down mate, Jackies not gonna be impressed with that. 

Nah, i'll be all right, Jackie knows my thoughts on this relationship...but i'll put them down again.

Both have shown signs of greed, and prepared to do things most wouldn't consider to gain money...two peas in a pod.

One it appears went to the extreme of extremes, the other gained a conscience, but cashed in the conscience.Did Julie gain this conscience because she was being dumped? I'm not so sure.

Do i think the NOTW money was wrong? 100% i do, and i hope she is ashamed of herself.