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chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #30 on: June 28, 2011, 01:14:AM »
Hi Chocho I think Southwold is like stepping back in time it's really special shall we go there one day together for a weekend x

Chocho I didn't fill in my holiday form !!!


Good idea! I went there once when I was staying with friends at their holiday home in Suffolk. The House in the Clouds is there, isn't it?

Jackiepreece

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2011, 01:18:AM »
Chocho Vidvic has gone!
I don't know about the house in the clouds what is it?

It's just started raining here have you had it yet I hope it really pours!

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2011, 01:24:AM »
Vidvic jeremy had never been in trouble for stealing before being involved with Mugford. I think she probably  instigated the caravan theft. Mugford was an experienced theif and fraudster.  Vidvic look up the word fraud or fraudster and let me know what it means

Jackie, JB by his own admission was responsible for the robbery, "to test the security"....only he forgot to tell anyone he'd done it and spent the money.......
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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2011, 01:34:AM »
Surely, JM & JB Both robbed the caravan Park, both slept around,
both led the high life after the murders.
How can you judge one to be more trustworthy than the other?


"In another development, Bamber's cousin, David Boutflour, who found the silencer at the farm days after the killings, has admitted – for the first time – that he inherited a significant sum following the murders. "I have inherited quite a large amount of money as a result of Jeremy. And most of it I've wasted, I've spent," he said."

Looks like these two weren't the only ones who lived the high life after the murders then?

As I have said before, the fact that David 'blew' his inheritance shows how little he needed it. At appeal team JB tried to show that money couldn't have been a motive for JB to commit the murders, that greed wasn't a factor because eventually he'd have been a wealthy man. So, how can you argue this both ways? These families are and were wealthy enough not to need to inherit the Bamber inheritance. And, BTW, it was much less than 500k.
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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2011, 01:40:AM »
Hi Keira,

JM never said JB was innocent.


Oh, yes she did. During one long year in which she claimed Jeremy repeatedly threatened to slaughter his entire immediate family and made a number of detailed plans for the murders, JM's whole demeanour said he was innocent.

When JM did nothing to warn the family that they were about to be brutally slaughtered, despite her later claims that Jeremy told her he was intent on murdering them all, JM's underlying story was that he was innocent.

When she continued her relationship with Jeremy after the murders, when she went out drinking with him and on holiday with him, when she went to the funerals and to see Colin Caffell, JM was silently telling the story that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

I would argue that the first two paragraphs refer to something that hadn't happened yet, so how could she be saying he was innocent when he hadn't done it yet?

And yes, it took her a while to come clean, but she did, and the jury believed her.
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chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2011, 01:42:AM »

JM said that JB told her he'd used a hitman. Why would she make that up? If she wanted to frame JB she surely would have just said that he did it?



David Shaw's theory is that a lot of JM's stories were gleaned from others: from an insider, from the extended family, the press and local gossip. That's why key aspects of her stories were riddled with so many errors, a number of which just happended to match the errors in AE's account. For example, both JM and AE claimed that Sheila was found on the bed, both claimed that the Bible was on top of Sheila.

There was a profusion of confusing stories in the press and doing the rounds of the local grape vine after the murders, according to Shaw. One story in the tabloids at the time that a scruffy man had been seen leaving the farm and a scruffy local man was viewed by villagers as a suspect - Shaw names him. Another local man is said to have threatened Nevill, this man killed his wife and himself the following year and attempted to kill his mother in law and his child. Shaw seems to suggest that JM could have conflated all of these people into the self proclaimed local villain: Mathew McDonald.

chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2011, 01:49:AM »
Hi Keira,

JM never said JB was innocent.


Oh, yes she did. During one long year in which she claimed Jeremy repeatedly threatened to slaughter his entire immediate family and made a number of detailed plans for the murders, JM's whole demeanour said he was innocent.

When JM did nothing to warn the family that they were about to be brutally slaughtered, despite her later claims that Jeremy told her he was intent on murdering them all, JM's underlying story was that he was innocent.

When she continued her relationship with Jeremy after the murders, when she went out drinking with him and on holiday with him, when she went to the funerals and to see Colin Caffell, JM was silently telling the story that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

I would argue that the first two paragraphs refer to something that hadn't happened yet, so how could she be saying he was innocent when he hadn't done it yet?

And yes, it took her a while to come clean, but she did, and the jury believed her.


Innocent of threatening and planning to kill his family, Vic, therefore, by implication, innocent of later carrying out these alleged threats.

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2011, 02:02:AM »
Hi Keira,

JM never said JB was innocent.


Oh, yes she did. During one long year in which she claimed Jeremy repeatedly threatened to slaughter his entire immediate family and made a number of detailed plans for the murders, JM's whole demeanour said he was innocent.

When JM did nothing to warn the family that they were about to be brutally slaughtered, despite her later claims that Jeremy told her he was intent on murdering them all, JM's underlying story was that he was innocent.

When she continued her relationship with Jeremy after the murders, when she went out drinking with him and on holiday with him, when she went to the funerals and to see Colin Caffell, JM was silently telling the story that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

I would argue that the first two paragraphs refer to something that hadn't happened yet, so how could she be saying he was innocent when he hadn't done it yet?

And yes, it took her a while to come clean, but she did, and the jury believed her.


Innocent of threatening and planning to kill his family, Vic, therefore, by implication, innocent of later carrying out these alleged threats.

It's late so I'm probably being thick, but I don't get this argument at all. If he said he was going to do it, but didn't, she had nothing to say, until the point when he actually did it, and then she told all.
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chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2011, 02:07:AM »
Hi Keira,

JM never said JB was innocent.


Oh, yes she did. During one long year in which she claimed Jeremy repeatedly threatened to slaughter his entire immediate family and made a number of detailed plans for the murders, JM's whole demeanour said he was innocent.

When JM did nothing to warn the family that they were about to be brutally slaughtered, despite her later claims that Jeremy told her he was intent on murdering them all, JM's underlying story was that he was innocent.

When she continued her relationship with Jeremy after the murders, when she went out drinking with him and on holiday with him, when she went to the funerals and to see Colin Caffell, JM was silently telling the story that Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

I would argue that the first two paragraphs refer to something that hadn't happened yet, so how could she be saying he was innocent when he hadn't done it yet?

And yes, it took her a while to come clean, but she did, and the jury believed her.


Innocent of threatening and planning to kill his family, Vic, therefore, by implication, innocent of later carrying out these alleged threats.

It's late so I'm probably being thick, but I don't get this argument at all. If he said he was going to do it, but didn't, she had nothing to say, until the point when he actually did it, and then she told all.


I'm too tired to reply, will reply tomorrow. ZZzzz

Jackiepreece

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2011, 01:32:PM »
Vidvic you didn't really answer my question from yesterday about JM.

Would you agree that it has been accepted JM was breaking the law by carrying out the cheque fraud way before Jeremy stole anything

Jackiepreece

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2011, 01:35:PM »
Vicvic would you say that by JM walking up and down Oxford obtaining goods to the value of £700 in 1986 she must be skilled in the art of deception

chochokeira

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2011, 02:08:PM »
Vidvic you didn't really answer my question from yesterday about JM.

Would you agree that it has been accepted JM was breaking the law by carrying out the cheque fraud way before Jeremy stole anything


Good point, Jackie. +1

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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2011, 02:23:PM »
Vicvic would you say that by JM walking up and down Oxford obtaining goods to the value of £700 in 1986 she must be skilled in the art of deception

How skilled do you need to be to sign a cheque?
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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2011, 02:25:PM »
Vidvic you didn't really answer my question from yesterday about JM.

Would you agree that it has been accepted JM was breaking the law by carrying out the cheque fraud way before Jeremy stole anything


Good point, Jackie. +1

of course I agree. She returned the money and the bank took no further action. What's your point?
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Re: Did JM ever really love Jeremy Bamber?
« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2011, 02:26:PM »
Vidvic you didn't really answer my question from yesterday about JM.

Would you agree that it has been accepted JM was breaking the law by carrying out the cheque fraud way before Jeremy stole anything


Good point, Jackie. +1

of course I agree. She returned the money and the bank took no further action. What's your point?


Have you seen any evidence that JM did return the money, Vic? I'm sure I've read somewhere that she did not repay this money.