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Offline mike tesko

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2020, 06:34:PM »
Has Kim Perks' email not formed part of any defence submission? It seems highly pertinent to the current judicial review.

No, Roch...

But I agree, the reply that I got from Kim Perks is pertinent to the silencer issue - Essex police admitting to the existence of at least two different sound moderators at the heart of their investigations, information that's known about at the time of Jeremy Bambers trial by both the prosecution and the defence advocates - can't understand why the jury were not permitted to know about this remarkable piece of evidence (since, the jury were selected from members of the public, who Essex police make it clear that such information was not for disclosure publicly)

Great, finally understanding what really goes on behind the scenes!

I guess then, that I might be a witness (along with Kim Perks and the force solicitor of the era)?

If so, though, I will have to declare that Jeremy confided in me, that he was involved in the killing of the other four victims, which will in turn result in the Home Office having to produce the tape records of Jeremy's confession together with the photograph they seized showing Sheila on top of her parents bed sporting only one bullet entry wound to her neck, and the accompanying letter I sent along with it to Jeremy, which as I have confirmed was subsequently confiscated by prison authorities. Additionally, I do know that at the time this happened, that all telephone calls made by inmates to a member of the public were listened in on, and automatically recorded at HMP Full Sutton by prison security!

It's going to be interesting, should all this evidence go before the court of appeal...

If so, the appeal should be dealt with by the current Lord Chief Justice, because any lesser ranked appellant judge, could dismiss the significance of this, and any other relevant fresh evidence!
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2020, 08:06:PM »
No, Sir I have not lost the plot - the prison authorities have a recording of all conversations I had with Jeremy in his cell which was next to mine, (on B wing) and on several occasions we talked about his case. His confession is by words from his own mouth. He knew that I wouldn't be able to help him unless he told me the truth about everything. Which is what he eventually complied with...

His confessions to me, are behind the reasons why Essex police are not disclosing all aspects of the evidence to him, and in particular the as yet undisclosed photographs taken at the crime scene by the 1st SOCO team based at Chelmsford HQ, and why although a crime scene video was recorded showing the bodies in different positions before the crime scene was handed over to the 2nd SOCO team based at Witham police station ( Cook, Davidson, Hammersley and Bird) at which stage the crime scene had already been stage managed under authority of senior officers in attendance ('informatives') and under scrutiny of Peter Simpson!

The authorities will not even release the name of the police officer who took the footage whilst the bodies of victims were 'insitu' between 9am and 10am!  What we do know, however, is that none of the 2nd SOCO team could have videoed the crime scene prior to 10am, it was somebody else, and the authorities are being uncooperative in divulging the identity of that Officer. But I can reveal that it was DC Oakey (headquarters SOCO)...


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I was in a cell next door to Jeremy on B wing, at HMP Full sutton, between 1989 and 1990. All cells are for single use only. I did spend 1989 Christmas day dinner period, banged up in Jeremys cell with him for about three hours, but other than that I have never shared a cell with him on any other occasion. Yes, we became friends.Yes, after speaking with Jeremy and being given access to some of his case papers, I became convinced that he had not killed anyone. After my temporary release from custody in July 1990 until June 1991, I became more and more intrigued by the lack of evidence in his case, coming to the conclusion that he git convicted on circumstantial evidence, and speculation, there was nothing concrete to prove that he was the killer...
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2020, 08:43:PM »
To be honest, if Jeremy killed four members of his family, I don't think that wanting him released on a technicality is something I approve of.

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2020, 08:47:PM »
Also, I can't be doing with all this story-changing and changes of mind.

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2020, 09:03:PM »
Also, I can't be doing with all this story-changing and changes of mind.

I think most people stopped paying attention to Mike years ago.  :-\

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #65 on: February 17, 2020, 10:32:PM »
I think most people stopped paying attention to Mike years ago.  :-\

Some of his posts are obviously lies as they are completely contradictory.

Perhaps soon he will explain why because everytime we ask we get ignored.

Offline mike tesko

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2020, 10:10:PM »
I think most people stopped paying attention to Mike years ago.  :-\

Ask yourself, how would you go about getting people interested in discussing aspects of this particular case, if you were at the heart of the forum which is now controlled and run by other dedicated individuals  (NGB and our Moderators)?

Can it ever be justified for anyone in authority, or any witness, to lie publicly?
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2020, 10:14:PM »
Ask yourself, how would you go about getting people interested in discussing aspects of this particular case, if you were at the heart of the forum which is now controlled and run by other dedicated individuals  (NGB and our Moderators)?

Can it ever be justified for anyone in authority, or any witness, to lie publicly?

Yes, or no..
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2020, 10:24:PM »
I have not lied at any time, I have simply relied upon an interpretation of this, or that evidence, in the very same way that the prosecution at trial, are capable of doing exactly the same!

What I want to know, is why the police / CPS did not provide the full case file documents and photographic evidence to the trial judge (Mr Justice Drake) at the time of Jeremy Bambers trial? If it had been, I have no doubt that the trial judge would have directed the jury to acquit Jeremy of any involvement in the murders of all five of the victims!

Ask yourselves -
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2020, 10:26:PM »

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Beliefs may change with the knowledge that you now/then know something that you was not aware of before...
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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2020, 07:27:AM »
Beliefs may change with the knowledge that you now/then know something that you was not aware of before...

So what's the key thing that's changed Mike? It can't be his alleged confession, as you knew that before.

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2020, 09:50:AM »
Ralph Neville had fled South Africa in the wake of the white South African farm families massacres ( many of which were carried out and executed in similar fashion similar to what happened at whf). Just like he fled the UK after the whf slaughter, he had previously left South Africa after 'the slaughterings of white South African farmers and their families'! At the time of the 'slaughter of three generations of the Bamber family' at whf, Ralph Neville was wanted by South African Police for questioning about his possible involvement in the white South African farm slaughters. He was a registered firearms dealer, and firearm marksmen ... But Ralph Neville was the supposed mercenary / hitman that Jeremy told Julie Mugford about soon after the tragedy! He had misleadingly told  his then girlfriend Julie that the name of the mercenary who shot and killed everyone was 'Mathew MacDonald', who had a local reputation for having been a mercenary in years gone by. But this was a deception on Jeremy's part to reflect attention from the role played out in the shootings...

Quite a coincidence then that Ralph Nevill was the only son of Beatrice and Herbert Bamber who lived at Clifton House, Guildford and had three children, Cecily Diana, Phyllis Audrey and their youngest, Ralph Nevill, their only son born in June 1924.  Ralph Nevill was Nevill Bamber's grandfather and was dead at the time of the tragedy.

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2020, 12:10:PM »
Quite a coincidence then that Ralph Nevill was the only son of Beatrice and Herbert Bamber who lived at Clifton House, Guildford and had three children, Cecily Diana, Phyllis Audrey and their youngest, Ralph Nevill, their only son born in June 1924.  Ralph Nevill was Nevill Bamber's grandfather and was dead at the time of the tragedy.
No Ralph Nevill was the Nevill who married June Speakman and was killed along with Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2020, 02:51:PM »
No Ralph Nevill was the Nevill who married June Speakman and was killed along with Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.
But I thought he was a South African hit man who went off to buy drugs after he murdered 4 members of the family. Now I'm confused.

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Re: The finding of two lamps in a hedge row close to farmhouse..
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2020, 03:14:PM »
No Ralph Nevill was the Nevill who married June Speakman and was killed along with Sheila, Nicholas and Daniel.
So a different geezer from this one described by Mikey?
"Ralph Neville was ’the scruffy looking hunched up man, seen walking away from the farmhouse' at about 4.50am mentioned in a newspaper Report about the shooting incidents. He returned to Osea Road Camp Site in one of the farm tractors he had left parked up in a nearby field (after the shootings). He returned to whf the later that same morning at around 8.00 am  in the farm tractor on the pretense that he was turning up for work, only for him to be met by police at the junction where Pages Lane meets the Tollsbury Road. Soon afterwards, and having parked up the tractor in a nearby field Ralph Neville hitchhiked to the nearest port intent on fleeing the country"

No wonder Stan Jones was confused with so many Ralph Neville's around.