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Offline mike tesko

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2020, 05:50:AM »


The thing is they are claiming they have found evidence that 5 senior officers knew about this , but would they have dared to write this down anywhere ? It doe not seem feasible does it ?

There exists a further five Crime reference numbers, which are totally different to the disclosed two that we know of (relating to the original investigation, 7th August 1985 until 7th September 1985 - SC/688/85), and then afterwards when Jeremy was arrested, bailed, and subsequently rearrested (7th September 1985, onwards - SC/786/85), the documentary evidence contained in each of these two crime reference files, have become partly integrated into both files, in order to prosecute Jeremy Bambers for the collective five murders!

Different documentary evidence was gathered into and became an integral part of these other crime reference files,  related in connection with the individual shootings of all five victims. Of particular interest, is the unique crime reference file, put together regarding the circumstances surrounding the shooting incidents of Sheila Caffell after the firearm officers entered the farmhouse. The truth surrounding how, where and when Sheila was shot is contained in her personal crime reference file, held at Southend-on-Sea police station (Special Branch, Department)...

Just so that you and others are made aware, the evidence gathered in the two crime reference files (SC/688/85, and SC/786/85), do not tally entirely. In the first of these two files (SC/688/85), is contained all the evidence regarding the 'informatives' carried out by senior officers, and the role played by headquarters SOCO, in the restaging of the various crime scenes inside the farmhouse, and the fact that the first team of SOCO's recovered, and redistributed spent cartridge cases in accordance with how the police had rearranged the position of the three adult victims bodies after Sheila was accidentally shot on the second occasion once her body had been removed from on top of her parents bed, and placed onto the bedroom floor!

Jeremy Bamber implored me to believe that he did not harm his sister, he needed her to be alive so that she would take the wrap for the other deaths, having reassured her that he would make sure that she would get half of their parents inheritance...

In my opinion,  Jeremy made an error, in going along with the original Essex police narrative (crime reference file, SC/688/85), that Sheila killed the others, and then took her own life! This was despite the fact that he knew that Sheila was still very much alive by the time (3.36am) he spoke to PC West in the control room at Chelmsford police station..

The relatives had their suspicion that something was just not right, with the narrative that Sheila had shot dead her young boys, as well as both her adoptive parents and then before the police gained entry into the farmhouse at just after 7.30am, that she had taken her own life on the parents bedroom floor!

The relatives were right in assuming that Sheila had not physically shot any of the other four victims!

The relatives were spot on in their belief that Sheila could not have shot herself twice in the throat - because she hadn't and she didn't. The problem insofar as the circumstances surrounding the death of Sheila are / were concerned, is that they mistook the actions of the police, as though Jeremy was responsible for having done that which police were responsible for having done to Sheila, whether it had been the right thing to do or not, in the overall circumstances of Sheila's death...

« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 06:01:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2020, 06:07:AM »
I believe that I have already identified the individual crime reference files in connection with the individual five victims, elsewhere in another thread previously!

The damning evidence which proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the firearm officers shot and killed Sheila Caffell is a formidable part of these other case files!
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2020, 06:11:AM »
I would also like to draw everyone's attention to the fact that in each of the two official crime reference files (SC/866/85 and SC/786/85), that various items of evidential value, are referred to by conflicting exhibit references!
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2020, 06:13:AM »
I would also like to draw everyone's attention to the fact that in each of the two official crime reference files (SC/866/85 and SC/786/85), that various items of evidential value, are referred to by conflicting exhibit references!

In this respect, the evidence has clearly been tampered with to support the prosecution of Jeremy Bamber for all five of these murders, when at best he could have (did) have some role in the deaths of the other four victims!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 06:17:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2020, 06:24:AM »
Jeremy sought me out with a view of me trying to help him, because cops and his relatives stitched him up, for all five of the murders, by a reliance upon the claim that a Sound Moderator had been attached to the end of the guns barrel when she was shot, and that after she had died and was killed, that she couldn't have taken the Sound Moderator off the end of the rifles barrell and taken it all the way downstairs to conceal it inside a gun cupboard inside the downstairs office...
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 06:26:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2020, 06:26:AM »
Jeremy sought me out with a view of me trying to help him, because cops and his relatives stitched him up, for all five of the murders, by a reliance upon the claim that a Sound Moderator had been attached to the end of the guns barrel when she was shot, and that after she had died and was killed, that she couldn't have taken the Sound Moderator off the end of the rifles barrell and taken it all the way downstairs to conceal it inside a gun cupboard inside the downstairs office...

Well..

She didn't, and she hadn't!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 06:27:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2020, 06:30:AM »
I 100% believe that Jeremy Bamber did not, had not harmed his sister Sheila Caffell by way of shooting her, so that all their parents inheritance would come solely to him!
« Last Edit: February 12, 2020, 06:35:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2020, 06:38:AM »
I 100% believe that Jeremy Bamber did not, had not harmed his sister Sheila Caffell by way of shooting her, so that all their parents inheritance would come solely to him!

He needed her alive, so that all their parents inheritance would subsequently come to him anyway, because Sheila would be held accountable and sectioned off for killing off her two young boys, and both adoptive parents!
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2020, 08:35:AM »
He needed her alive, so that all their parents inheritance would subsequently come to him anyway, because Sheila would be held accountable and sectioned off for killing off her two young boys, and both adoptive parents!

I doubt that would work. Sheila could just say it wasn't me, it was Jeremy. And then proceed to give details of what happened inside the farmhouse. Relatives would be interested in her version of events.
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2020, 09:14:AM »
Maybe it was the famous hair trigger Adam.  Maybe one of the 'informatives' drafted in to practice moving the gun from Sheila, triggered the weapon in error?   Who knows.





The only logical explanation Roch that the rifle went off inadvertently as Sheila and the gun were moved. It would have only taken a hairs breadth for it to have gone off---hence the " cut-off of flow directly from the wound as she'd already have been dead so it wouldn't have pumped out.

Own up EP !! It was an accident.

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2020, 11:29:AM »
No, she wasn't, she was confronted in the kitchen when the firearm officers entered, as confirmed by Terrie Gibbons witness statement, two bodies found on entry by 7.35am!




I’ve got to say, I’m still with mike on this one. I’m going to need some serious convincing Sheila was already dead before the police stormed the building.

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2020, 11:49:AM »
Maybe it was the famous hair trigger Adam.  Maybe one of the 'informatives' drafted in to practice moving the gun from Sheila, triggered the weapon in error?   Who knows.

The location of the gun as found, and the trajectory of the shot into the brain preclude the scenario of accidental discharge. Unless they picked the gun up by the trigger and held it at an angle and also pressed in against the chin. That's a ludicrous scenario IMO.

Its also been suggested that Sheila originally had her chin down obscuring the wound. But anyone looking at the photos with a basic understanding of gravity knows that didn't happen.

Dr Craig simply didn't notice the other shot because he wasn't paying enough attention.
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Re: The guardian
« Reply #72 on: February 12, 2020, 12:24:PM »
The location of the gun as found, and the trajectory of the shot into the brain preclude the scenario of accidental discharge. Unless they picked the gun up by the trigger and held it at an angle and also pressed in against the chin. That's a ludicrous scenario IMO.

Its also been suggested that Sheila originally had her chin down obscuring the wound. But anyone looking at the photos with a basic understanding of gravity knows that didn't happen.

Dr Craig simply didn't notice the other shot because he wasn't paying enough attention.

It was not even that . If you check his report he only noted one wound on EVERY victim

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #73 on: February 12, 2020, 12:25:PM »
Jeremy sought me out with a view of me trying to help him, because cops and his relatives stitched him up, for all five of the murders, by a reliance upon the claim that a Sound Moderator had been attached to the end of the guns barrel when she was shot, and that after she had died and was killed, that she couldn't have taken the Sound Moderator off the end of the rifles barrell and taken it all the way downstairs to conceal it inside a gun cupboard inside the downstairs office...

so why did you take so long to reveal this vital bit of information when you knew this years ago ?

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Re: The guardian
« Reply #74 on: February 12, 2020, 12:30:PM »
Mike this is a quote from YOU

so what is the truth ?

"The shocking truth, is that they police did what they accused Jeremy of doing, and for over 25 years, they have kept silent and allowed an innocent man, to be incarcerated for killing members of his family, which the police know, and the CPS know he could not have been responsible for committing...

The truth about what really took place inside whf once armed police forced their way in, is well documented amongst the 300,000 documents and photographs which are currently being deliberately withheld under pii rules...

The Criminal Justice System should hang its head in shame, police helped to manufacture a false case against an innocent man, and they left him to rot in jail, rather than the police own up to what really did happen inside the farmhouse after they entered it"