Conflicting Statements

[Jan]

Just a Question, would you get a different noise or would you be able to tell if someone had put their finger down on the cradle, or placed the phone back down on the cradle?


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Or did Jeremy use the finger excuse to reinforce the fact something bad was happening?

I find it hard to remember what the phones were like in the 80s - I know we had a shared line for a while . An engaged tone was different to the phone being dead - ie off the hook  . but we did have a record of calls - in other words we could query a bill if necessary -

I think the police tried to call WHF while JB was on the phone to them ? So it could not have been him on the line -

[guest7363]

No, it would just click in both instances.

Im just going by the fact Bewes asks him do you mean someone just Hung up and he says it sounded as though someone had put their finger on it to cut it off?  I thought their was a difference that’s all?  He couldn’t just agree that it had been hung up, he had to get the fact someone had put their finger on it?

[Caroline]

Im just going by the fact Bewes asks him do you mean someone just Hung up and he says it sounded as though someone had put their finger on it to cut it off?  I thought their was a difference that’s all?  He couldn’t just agree that it had been hung up, he had to get the fact someone had put their finger on it?

I think he was suggesting that Sheila may have cut the call off midway.

[guest7363]

I find it hard to remember what the phones were like in the 80s - I know we had a shared line for a while . An engaged tone was different to the phone being dead - ie off the hook  . but we did have a record of calls - in other words we could query a bill if necessary -

I think the police tried to call WHF while JB was on the phone to them ? So it could not have been him on the line -

Thanks Jan, bit hard to remember now, we are  all mobile now 🙈🙈🙈. I thought you might get the sound of the phone clunking down on the cradle and that was why he could tell a difference?

[guest7363]

I think he was suggesting that Sheila may have cut the call off midway.

Yes, he is sort of dramatising the situation a bit.  He could have just agreed with Bewes he got cut off

[Caroline]

Yes, he is sort of dramatising the situation a bit.  He could have just agreed with Bewes he got cut off

Over egging!

[Jane]

Yes, he is sort of dramatising the situation a bit.  He could have just agreed with Bewes he got cut off

I think you'll find that, by whatever means, cut off is cut off is cut off, and it all sounds the same.

[guest7363]

Over egging!

Exactly, with a capital “E”

[Jan]

Im just going by the fact Bewes asks him do you mean someone just Hung up and he says it sounded as though someone had put their finger on it to cut it off?  I thought their was a difference that’s all?  He couldn’t just agree that it had been hung up, he had to get the fact someone had put their finger on it?

I agree there would not be a different sound unless he just felt his father was still just in mid conversation pr had not finished a word and then you might assume someone or something had cut him off .

But when he  tried rang back did he not say it was engaged not dead? I cant remember .

[guest7363]

The argument we always get thrown back regarding witness statements it’s third party, or no proof, ok but somewhere along the line you have to think why would they make it up?

A classic is this one where Colin’s girlfriend says Bamber Said “ when he received the call from his father he sounded injured”; you couldn’t make it up and I don’t think she would have done to be honest.


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[Caroline]

The argument we always get thrown back regarding witness statements it’s third party, or no proof, ok but somewhere along the line you have to think why would they make it up?

A classic is this one where Colin’s girlfriend says Bamber Said “ when he received the call from his father he sounded injured”; you couldn’t make it up and I don’t think she would have done to be honest.


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Neither do I.

[Jan]

The argument we always get thrown back regarding witness statements it’s third party, or no proof, ok but somewhere along the line you have to think why would they make it up?

A classic is this one where Colin’s girlfriend says Bamber Said “ when he received the call from his father he sounded injured”; you couldn’t make it up and I don’t think she would have done to be honest.


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I have always tried to look at the case from both sides and it has just been suggested that the reason Julie went to Identifybthe twins and did not take her opportunity to warn the police , when she knew that jeremy had planned to kill them was she was in shock and confused . So if we are to have a fair discussion I think we have to accept that if jeremy was innocent the same should apply . I am sure the contents of the phone call and the implications would have gradually sunk in , plus him trying to recall everything that had happened the previous evening .

Just to be fair

[Caroline]

I have always tried to look at the case from both sides and it has just been suggested that the reason Julie went to Identifybthe twins and did not take her opportunity to warn the police , when she knew that jeremy had planned to kill them was she was in shock and confused . So if we are to have a fair discussion I think we have to accept that if jeremy was innocent the same should apply . I am sure the contents of the phone call and the implications would have gradually sunk in , plus him trying to recall everything that had happened the previous evening .

Just to be fair

I have also looked at things from both sides - however, I have NEVER quite got my head around him not calling 999. I may have made excuses for it - but that's all they were. I can't see how any one would be suffering from shock with the amount of information he had. At that point, nothing had really occurred and he supposedly knew the rifle wasn't loaded anyway.

[Jane]

I have always tried to look at the case from both sides and it has just been suggested that the reason Julie went to Identifybthe twins and did not take her opportunity to warn the police , when she knew that jeremy had planned to kill them was she was in shock and confused . So if we are to have a fair discussion I think we have to accept that if jeremy was innocent the same should apply . I am sure the contents of the phone call and the implications would have gradually sunk in , plus him trying to recall everything that had happened the previous evening .

Just to be fair

Back when I thought he was innocent, I chose not to look too deeply at the alleged call and came up with numerous excuses for why he didn't call 999. I can't accept, on one hand, that he didn't think it was urgent when balanced against him telling police that his father had sounded terrified. I can't accept that ANYONE would doubt that calling 999 would be no faster than wasting time going through a phone book to make calls to unmanned local stations to tell them about an incident involving a gun and a mentally ill woman.

[Jan]

I have also looked at things from both sides - however, I have NEVER quite got my head around him not calling 999. I may have made excuses for it - but that's all they were. I can't see how any one would be suffering from shock with the amount of information he had. At that point, nothing had really occurred and he supposedly knew the rifle wasn't loaded anyway.

But if he had planned everything so meticulously why did he make himself look more stupid by not calling 999 ? If it was a timing thing then just wait a bit longer and do the obvious thing ?
 You have claimed he wanted to set up the most dangerous scenario so the police would NOT go in and establish the T.O.D. So calling 999 would make more sense . The was he worded it originally was she had just got hold of the gun . So no indication of any shooting at that stage . But when the raid team were eventually called they were told it was a shooting incident ? Which the police had not established.