Conflicting Statements

[guest7363]

I can see that heather did not make her statement until October so not exactly a contemporary statement whilst things were fresh in her mind .

And again  if sheila was arguing about the fostering why on earth would he not tell the police . It would have added strength to the scene he had set , giving sheila a motive?

Something she quite clearly remembered, I’m not at all trying to convince you Jan or anyone else, I bought it up because it was interesting and a blatant confliction between statements, so someone is obviously telling porkies.

[guest7363]

I can see that heather did not make her statement until October so not exactly a contemporary statement whilst things were fresh in her mind .

And again  if sheila was arguing about the fostering why on earth would he not tell the police . It would have added strength to the scene he had set , giving sheila a motive?

So all this about Sheila being upset and in a argument over fostering, giving her reason to go mad, never happened, everyone was happy when they went to bed and Sheila just flipped for the sake of it then?

[Jan]

So all this about Sheila being upset and in a argument over fostering, giving her reason to go mad, never happened, everyone was happy when they went to bed and Sheila just flipped for the sake of it then?

I am not sure that I understand schizophrenia enough to comment on your assumptions.

The fact that he said she was vacant and not contributing to the conversation may indicate she was taking it all in , storing it up?

Perhaps the attack was nothing to do with the discussion? Colin made it clear about June’s religious fervour , perhaps that tipped her over the edge? You do know what she said about the boys when she said she feared she would harm them ?

Do people with this illness need a specific trigger ?

What is your opinion about patients who suffer with this very sad illness?

[lookout]

From experience Jan I'd say unpredictable.

[Caroline]

I am not sure that I understand schizophrenia enough to comment on your assumptions.

The fact that he said she was vacant and not contributing to the conversation may indicate she was taking it all in , storing it up?

Perhaps the attack was nothing to do with the discussion? Colin made it clear about June’s religious fervour , perhaps that tipped her over the edge? You do know what she said about the boys when she said she feared she would harm them ?

Do people with this illness need a specific trigger ?

What is your opinion about patients who suffer with this very sad illness?

Triggers etc. are usually an aspect of not taking their medication - in this instance, it doesn't apply.

[guest7363]

I am not sure that I understand schizophrenia enough to comment on your assumptions.

The fact that he said she was vacant and not contributing to the conversation may indicate she was taking it all in , storing it up?

Perhaps the attack was nothing to do with the discussion? Colin made it clear about June’s religious fervour , perhaps that tipped her over the edge? You do know what she said about the boys when she said she feared she would harm them ?

Do people with this illness need a specific trigger ?

What is your opinion about patients who suffer with this very sad illness?

There is a very big difference from Happy to heated argument Jan, you have to remember he wasn’t a suspect, he could tell them two anything he wanted, as far as he was concerned they weren’t going to give statements anyway, his statement could differ and they wouldn’t know it.  It was murder suicide the police wouldn’t need any statements of Colins girlfriend anyway in his eyes. I don’t know enough about it either Jan so I can’t comment.   

[guest7363]

I am not sure that I understand schizophrenia enough to comment on your assumptions.

The fact that he said she was vacant and not contributing to the conversation may indicate she was taking it all in , storing it up?

Perhaps the attack was nothing to do with the discussion? Colin made it clear about June’s religious fervour , perhaps that tipped her over the edge? You do know what she said about the boys when she said she feared she would harm them ?

Do people with this illness need a specific trigger ?

What is your opinion about patients who suffer with this very sad illness?

Good topic though Jan and thanks for the discussion

[Jan]

Triggers etc. are usually an aspect of not taking their medication - in this instance, it doesn't apply.

But Ferguson in his statement said she could have regressed into a state of psychosis? And he was her doctor?

[Jane]

But Ferguson in his statement said she could have regressed into a state of psychosis? And he was her doctor?

Wasn't that prior to being medicated? She was very close to it when she was admitted for the second time because she wasn't taking the meds which had been prescribed. It was decided to inject her meds on a monthly basis so there'd be no danger of her forgetting.

[Jan]

Wasn't that prior to being medicated? She was very close to it when she was admitted for the second time because she wasn't taking the meds which had been prescribed. It was decided to inject her meds on a monthly basis so there'd be no danger of her forgetting.

That was in his first statement explaining his involvement in her treatment . It was his explanation of how the murders could have happened .he certainly did not dismiss the possibility of her guilt out of hand .

[Jane]

That was in his first statement explaining his involvement in her treatment . It was his explanation of how the murders could have happened .he certainly did not dismiss the possibility of her guilt out of hand .

But did he not say that he didn't believe her to be a danger to anyone other than herself?

[Caroline]

But Ferguson in his statement said she could have regressed into a state of psychosis? And he was her doctor?

Because he was told she was the killer - he had to try and justify it, however, he also said ....

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1201.0.html

[Jan]

But did he not say that he didn't believe her to be a danger to anyone other than herself?

At the time of treating her yes. But that’s all .

What he believed and what could have happened are two different things . How many patients that have been released even from being sectioned have gone on to attack ? Quite a lot  it’s not an exact science .

[Jane]

At the time of treating her yes. But that’s all .

What he believed and what could have happened are two different things . How many patients that have been released even from being sectioned have gone on to attack ? Quite a lot  it’s not an exact science .

No, it isn't but it doesn't mean that every released patient will go on the attack. This is clearly a situation in which you'll take from it what you want to see, as will I.

[Jan]

Because he was told she was the killer - he had to try and justify it, however, he also said ....

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1201.0.html

Why should he justify it ? He was independent. He could have said she was incapable .

But it is is a fact that it is an unpredictable illness so the fact that her medication may have been considered adequate is not the only contributing factor.

It does not eradicate the fact something could have triggered a relapse .