Conflicting Statements

[guest7363]

I'm not sure I understand you... which was correct, his original "about 30 mph" story in his formal statement or his alleged later flippant remark that if Jeremy had been travelling any slower, he'd have been stationary?

Not quite sure Reader, but didn’t they re time it again later?  This then gave them a better estimate?  Always hard to determine speed and whenever you get behind any slow driver it’s a figure of speech to say “any slower and they would be stationary”

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3132.0;attach=19807

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3132.0;attach=19808

[sami]

Not quite sure Reader, but didn’t they re time it again later?  This then gave them a better estimate?  Always hard to determine speed and whenever you get behind any slow driver it’s a figure of speech to say “any slower and they would be stationary”

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3132.0;attach=19807

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3132.0;attach=19808

thank you rj good point, also did the police have to travel about 5 miles before passing jb,s village yet they still managed to overtake him on route,wonder what speed he was going when he put the jumper on

[Reader]

The police never stated that they passed Jeremy's village when travelling from Witham to WHF. They probably joined Jeremy's route shortly before they overtook his car.

The figures in the images linked above are unreliable. For example, it is stated that Pc Myall drove for a distance of exactly 1 mile at a speed varying between 25 and 30 mph. That would imply that the journey time was between 2 minutes (corresponding to 30 mph) and 2 minutes 24 seconds (corresponding to 25 mph), but the journey time is given as 2 minutes 45 seconds. It's then stated that this journey time corresponds to an average speed of 27 1/2 mph, but it doesn't. It corresponds to an average speed of 21.8 mph. There's no justification for the subsequent conclusion that Jeremy's car was travelling at no more than 20 mph when EP passed it. That conclusion can't be obtained from the figures given.

I don't understand your reference to Jeremy putting on a jumper. What evidence is there that Jeremy put on a jumper while making his way to WHF? If he stopped to put on a jumper after his car was overtaken, the time he took to do that would need to be estimated and subtracted from his estimated journey time (for the final mile of his trip) to allow his average driving speed to be estimated, and that estimated speed would then be higher than it would be if Jeremy hadn't made such a stop.

[guest7363]

The police never stated that they passed Jeremy's village when travelling from Witham to WHF. They probably joined Jeremy's route shortly before they overtook his car.

The figures in the images linked above are unreliable. For example, it is stated that Pc Myall drove for a distance of exactly 1 mile at a speed varying between 25 and 30 mph. That would imply that the journey time was between 2 minutes (corresponding to 30 mph) and 2 minutes 24 seconds (corresponding to 25 mph), but the journey time is given as 2 minutes 45 seconds. It's then stated that this journey time corresponds to an average speed of 27 1/2 mph, but it doesn't. It corresponds to an average speed of 21.8 mph. There's no justification for the subsequent conclusion that Jeremy's car was travelling at no more than 20 mph when EP passed it. That conclusion can't be obtained from the figures given.

I don't understand your reference to Jeremy putting on a jumper. What evidence is there that Jeremy put on a jumper while making his way to WHF? If he stopped to put on a jumper after his car was overtaken, the time he took to do that would need to be estimated and subtracted from his estimated journey time (for the final mile of his trip) to allow his average driving speed to be estimated, and that estimated speed would then be higher than it would be if Jeremy hadn't made such a stop.

Not really into maths Reader so cant dispute or agree with your claims I’m afraid.  Just asking you if they changed their mind to a lower speed due to the fact they went back and timed it?

[Reader]

To verify the arithmetic, type into Google convert 1 mile per 2 3/4 minutes to miles per hour.

No, they clearly didn't change their mind due to the fact they went back and timed it. It's possible that they wanted to justify a lower estimate of Jeremy's driving speed by making precise measurements, but when they realized their figures wouldn't support such a conclusion, they just "fudged" their results and stated their desired conclusion, even though it didn't follow from their data.

[sami]

To verify the arithmetic, type into Google convert 1 mile per 2 3/4 minutes to miles per hour.

No, they clearly didn't change their mind due to the fact they went back and timed it. It's possible that they wanted to justify a lower estimate of Jeremy's driving speed by making precise measurements, but when they realized their figures wouldn't support such a conclusion, they just "fudged" their results and stated their desired conclusion, even though it didn't follow from their data.

you should have went to the trial,and given your calculations but it wouldnt have made any difference to the verdict

[David1819]

How can "driving slowly (any slower and he would have been stationary)" be a correct addition to driving at about 30 mph?

Bews in the video says its was a "White Nova" that if it was "any slower and he would have been stationary"

JB was driving a silver astra and that's what Bews is referring to in his 30mph statement.

Not even the same car 

[ILB]

 )I never buy the trick of light thing. Mr Bews initially said that he saw movement and then positioned his head and came to the conclusion of the trick of light...if he saw movement  he saw movement. Can anyone tell me what window of whf were bews and Bamber looking into on whf when this happened,??

[guest7363]

Another conflicting statement and one Bamber doesn’t deny, he told Police who attended WHF in the morning, before entry he had left the rifle LOADED? 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5816.0;attach=37781

Yet fresh in his mind the same day he’s insistent he emptied the breach?  He’s weighed up the fact  Neville would never allow a loaded rifle left unattended so he changed the story slightly.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1091.0;attach=5550

[sami]

Another conflicting statement and one Bamber doesn’t deny, he told Police who attended WHF in the morning, before entry he had left the rifle LOADED? 

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5816.0;attach=37781

Yet fresh in his mind the same day he’s insistent he emptied the breach?  He’s weighed up the fact  Neville would never allow a loaded rifle left unattended so he changed the story slightly.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1091.0;attach=5550

good point rj.but jb can change his story as much as he likes supporters dont mind that ,but god forbid if anyone else in the case who does it

[guest7363]

good point rj.but jb can change his story as much as he likes supporters dont mind that ,but god forbid if anyone else in the case who does it

I personally think, the reason Bamber’s court testimony isn’t available, it shows and has lots more contradictions in it, he chooses to keep them hidden?  Strange that the evidence given by the accused in court isn’t available Sami?

[guest7363]

good point rj.but jb can change his story as much as he likes supporters dont mind that ,but god forbid if anyone else in the case who does it

What we have to remember Sami, although he had planned as much as possible, once he carried out the murders he’s on new territory, it becomes real, so no matter how much planning before hand, he tries little adjustments after, he will adjust his story with different people esp family members and police.  In other words those that know him and Sheila and those that don’t.

[guest7363]

I'm not sure I understand you... which was correct, his original "about 30 mph" story in his formal statement or his alleged later flippant remark that if Jeremy had been travelling any slower, he'd have been stationary?

One thing is certain, he got overtaken and he took a while to arrive after the police.  He decided to carry on driving slow and didn’t want to keep up with them, on roads he was familiar with, they were in a hurry, he wasn’t, even if he and his supporters use the pathetic get out, “he was frightened to get there before the police arrival” “Or he was told to wait for them”  he doesn’t have an excuse.  He was hoping the police would go charging down and break in and discover the bodies while he wasn’t there and he would arrive just after.  It was a part of his plan that didn’t go to plan I’m afraid.

[Jane]

What we have to remember Sami, although he had planned as much as possible, once he carried out the murders he’s on new territory, it becomes real, so no matter how much planning before hand, he tries little adjustments after, he will adjust his story with different people esp family members and police.  In other words those that know him and Sheila and those that don’t.

You raise an excellent point, RJ. The script he wrote was, for him, the ideal. He'd have tweaked it -organized any necessary conversations/acts- until it became fail-safe. He had yet to learn that perfect fantasies only take place in one's head because that's the only place where we have full control of them. By which time it was too late. So when supporters tell us he'd never have done.................Never have said....................., chances are that he wouldn't -well, who in their right mind would plan for, fantasize about, two suicide shots?!!!!- but by that time all he could do was play the hand he'd dealt himself.

[guest7363]

You raise an excellent point, RJ. The script he wrote was, for him, the ideal. He'd have tweaked it -organized any necessary conversations/acts- until it became fail-safe. He had yet to learn that perfect fantasies only take place in one's head because that's the only place where we have full control of them. By which time it was too late. So when supporters tell us he'd never have done.................Never have said....................., chances are that he wouldn't -well, who in their right mind would plan for, fantasize about, two suicide shots?!!!!- but by that time all he could do was play the hand he'd dealt himself.

Excellently put as usual Jane.