The Truth and the Documentary

[Jane]

she didn't have a conviction to her name. In essence, had she not married a Canadian and gone abroad she could have carried on doing what she wanted in the UK.

In theory. But she'd most likely have found the door to any teaching position closed in her face. She'd had to resign from the last one she held here.

[Steve_uk]

can I just ask not a question directed to you as such Caroline, but anyone what's Jeremy Bambers feelings towards Colin caffell got relevance wise ( not moaning that it can't be discussed.....

..because it shows that underneath the polished, public schoolboy exterior there is that feeling of resentfulness and spite just waiting to pounce.

[Kaldin]

In theory. But she'd most likely have found the door to any teaching position closed in her face. She'd had to resign from the last one she held here.

She was suspended, and she was very cross with the school. She wanted to find out if they could stop her working. That's what she was like - instead of accepting that a school didn't want a teacher who had associated with someone who was charged with the murder of two small children, she was only concerned about her "rights".

[Jane]

She was suspended, and she was very cross with the school. She wanted to find out if they could stop her working. That's what she was like - instead of accepting that a school didn't want a teacher who had associated with someone who was charged with the murder of two small children, she was only concerned about her "rights".

There are always those who put, what they believe to be, their own ""rights"" before those of others.

[ngb1066]

I didn't even know I had been banned. Why are you mentioning this now if it's not a smear..

You referenced me in a reply to another member, effectively claiming that I also am guilty of personal attacks.  That was an untrue suggestion and not necessary in the context of your argument with that member.  It was a gratuitous side swipe at me when I had not been involved in the argument.  I am entitled to respond.  I did so in a calm manner pointing out that you haven been guilty of personal attacks on me in the past, some of them very nasty, and that in one case it was serious enough for a ban to be imposed.  I do not think that is a smear.  It is relevant to the context.  I accept that on the whole you do not make a habit of launching personal attacks but you seem to make an exception for me.

 

[Steve_uk]

She was suspended, and she was very cross with the school. She wanted to find out if they could stop her working. That's what she was like - instead of accepting that a school didn't want a teacher who had associated with someone who was charged with the murder of two small children, she was only concerned about her "rights".

But so would anybody be Kaldin in the same position.

[lookout]

She could, but schools might not like to employ people who sold their sordid stories to the NOTW in all their glory.

I don't know the rules regarding the Canadian way of dealing with CRB's or DBS's, but there are stringent checks here for those whose intention is to work with children or vulnerable adults.

Because it was already known of JM's details re. fraud/drugs and because she'd already been turned away from a teaching position here at the time, it wouldn't have bode well for further employment in this country following a report from her previous employment. She'd have found things difficult and if I'd been in her shoes I'd have scarpered too !

Maybe Canada wasn't so fussy ?

[Kaldin]

But so would anybody be Kaldin in the same position.

Really? I would say that most decent people would think they had no rights, considering the cover up, the lies, and the pretence. They would feel shame, but she didn't seem to.

[lookout]

Of course, between the fact that she'd received her " getaway card " £25,000 odd and buying a flat which no doubt she got a quick sale for, there was no need to stay in the UK to seek employment as the world was her oyster so off she went to Australia where she met the Canadian that she's presently married to.

Anyone know how long JM stayed in this country for before she buzzed off ?

[Kaldin]

I don't know the rules regarding the Canadian way of dealing with CRB's or DBS's, but there are stringent checks here for those whose intention is to work with children or vulnerable adults.

Because it was already known of JM's details re. fraud/drugs and because she'd already been turned away from a teaching position here at the time, it wouldn't have bode well for further employment in this country following a report from her previous employment. She'd have found things difficult and if I'd been in her shoes I'd have scarpered too !

Maybe Canada wasn't so fussy ?

I think I would have given up on the idea of teaching out of shame.

[Jane]

I don't know the rules regarding the Canadian way of dealing with CRB's or DBS's, but there are stringent checks here for those whose intention is to work with children or vulnerable adults.

Because it was already known of JM's details re. fraud/drugs and because she'd already been turned away from a teaching position here at the time, it wouldn't have bode well for further employment in this country following a report from her previous employment. She'd have found things difficult and if I'd been in her shoes I'd have scarpered too !

Maybe Canada wasn't so fussy ?

I think you'll find that both Canada and Australia may be rather more stringent than are we. It's even possible that she may have had to gain further qualifications to teach there. As she'd never been tried or convicted of those things you list, legally they couldn't be held against her, however, further, gainful employment here may have proved difficult. I glad you concur with her decision to leave England.

[Steve_uk]

Of course, between the fact that she'd received her " getaway card " £25,000 odd and buying a flat which no doubt she got a quick sale for, there was no need to stay in the UK to seek employment as the world was her oyster so off she went to Australia where she met the Canadian that she's presently married to.

Anyone know how long JM stayed in this country for before she buzzed off ?

Two years.

[Steve_uk]

I think I would have given up on the idea of teaching out of shame.

..or maybe the trauma she had undergone in this country drove her on to put something back into the community of which she became part overseas.

[Jane]

Really? I would say that most decent people would think they had no rights, considering the cover up, the lies, and the pretence. They would feel shame, but she didn't seem to.

I've no doubt that you would. You might be amazed by the way people reason and the rationale behind it.

[Kaldin]

..or maybe the trauma she had undergone in this country drove her on to put something back into the community of which she became part overseas.

Are you seriously suggesting that she stuck to teaching as a sort of penance?

Any trauma she underwent was of her own making. Do you not get that she covered up the killing of two small children? She exhibited no feelings at all about that. She even had a party for her birthday at the end of August!