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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #435 on: December 15, 2019, 03:09:PM »
There are more profitable avenues to explore and the NoW deal would in isolation be unlikely to be sufficient to win an appeal.  However the information now available, not available at trial or at the two appeals to date, undermines JM's credibility.  Taken with two other factors which also undermine her credibility this becomes a valid ground of appeal.  It would not be the primary ground of appeal but would form part of the overall grounds of appeal.  That is my motive for probing this and other aspects of the case.
I thought you might be using this as a stepping stone to something else..

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« Reply #436 on: December 15, 2019, 03:15:PM »
Let's get this straight: Julie, a girl whom Jeremy had been dating for almost two years suddenly makes up a 21-page statement accusing him of planning to murder his entire family for over a year and yet post-conviction Colin is the target?
how is a letter from early 1989, just over 2 years from the Chelmsford trial, addressed to Colin. Constitute a campaign of vitororol against him?
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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #437 on: December 15, 2019, 03:15:PM »
Neil I have to hand it to you that you have been restrained in your discussion of the case, sometimes to the detriment of your argument I have thought. In the few posts where a personal opinion has been expressed( such as the one you mention and your guess that Julie was arrested when there's no evidence to substantiate) a member has the right to reply.

Incidentally I was never banned, though my status was downgraded from Hero Member for a couple of days.

Of course a member has the right to reply to any argument presented.  The clashes between us have been whenever JM has come under attack and that is where your replies have sometimes been in the form of persona attacks.

I do not understand the downgrading from Hero member - that is an automatic forum function based solely upon post count.  There were some changes to the overall categories and post count thresholds a few years ago but nothing recently.

You were banned around two years ago but the ban was lifted the following morning.  It may be that you did not attempt to logon during the short ban period.

 

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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #438 on: December 15, 2019, 03:16:PM »
I agree Kaldin that the principle was shocking, the pictures were disgusting and in thoroughly bad taste. I do not make excuses. What I am questioning is ngb1066's motives for probing the News of the World deal when it's peripheral to the conviction of Jeremy Bamber and if you're of the innocent persuasion one would have thought there should be more profitable avenues to explore.

I don't know that he is doing that, but perhaps he feels that to profit from those deaths is too awful to ignore?

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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #439 on: December 15, 2019, 03:17:PM »
I thought you might be using this as a stepping stone to something else..

I do not understand what you mean.  Can you explain?


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« Reply #440 on: December 15, 2019, 03:18:PM »
It's mostly the making of money out of it which bothers me. She came up with an excuse as to why she sold her story, but she kept the money - it's awful.


Okay, so it wasn't her finest hour. She probably breathed a huge sigh of relief that she got out of it as unscathed as she did, albeit with her reputation in tatters. She was never going to get a teaching position here, but with that sort of cash at her disposal there was no reason why she couldn't have done some voluntary teaching abroad whilst she worked out what to do next. I wonder what might her other options have been. By the time that dreadful article with it equally appalling accompanying picture were released, she'd already been labeled -and I was one of those who labeled her!- so she had little to lose by that expose. At 22, she may well have thought "What the Hell?".

Julie isn't alone in making money from it, and I'm not condoning anything she did. I'm tired of being accused of such. MUCH of what I thought about her, when I believed in Jeremy's innocence, hasn't changed. Like those who commit heinous crimes, she will never not have to live with that she loved, and shared a bed with, someone convicted of 5 murders. She may have had a £25,000 pay off, but I guessing she's learned that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

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« Reply #441 on: December 15, 2019, 03:19:PM »
By the way, is there actual evidence of this letter that Jeremy sent to Colin?

I’d say it was genuine, he slagged Colin off to me. I won’t post it here but I would have NGB verify it for the disbelievers?
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« Reply #442 on: December 15, 2019, 03:23:PM »

Okay, so it wasn't her finest hour. She probably breathed a huge sigh of relief that she got out of it as unscathed as she did, albeit with her reputation in tatters. She was never going to get a teaching position here, but with that sort of cash at her disposal there was no reason why she couldn't have done some voluntary teaching abroad whilst she worked out what to do next. I wonder what might her other options have been. By the time that dreadful article with it equally appalling accompanying picture were released, she'd already been labeled -and I was one of those who labeled her!- so she had little to lose by that expose. At 22, she may well have thought "What the Hell?".

Julie isn't alone in making money from it, and I'm not condoning anything she did. I'm tired of being accused of such. MUCH of what I thought about her, when I believed in Jeremy's innocence, hasn't changed. Like those who commit heinous crimes, she will never not have to live with that she loved, and shared a bed with, someone convicted of 5 murders. She may have had a £25,000 pay off, but I guessing she's learned that there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Her other options were to accept that she would not get a teaching job because she did a terrible thing, and to find another kind of job. She risked her career by committing crimes such as cheque fraud, drug dealing, and burglary. She wasn't thinking of her career then was she?

She shouldn't have made excuses for accepting the money anyway.

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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #443 on: December 15, 2019, 03:23:PM »
I’d say it was genuine, he slagged Colin off to me. I won’t post it here but I would have NGB verify it for the disbelievers?
can I just ask not a question directed to you as such Caroline, but anyone what's Jeremy Bambers feelings towards Colin caffell got relevance wise ( not moaning that it can't be discussed.....
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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #444 on: December 15, 2019, 03:24:PM »
I do not understand what you mean.  Can you explain?
You're taking what you perceive to be the weakest link in the chain, which isn't even her evidence on oath. Once you have undermined her credibility regarding the News of the World deal (and it's really a win-win situation for you as newbies to the case peruse it) you will turn to the court testimony she gave.

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« Reply #445 on: December 15, 2019, 03:25:PM »
Her other options were to accept that she would not get a teaching job because she did a terrible thing, and to find another kind of job. She risked her career by committing crimes such as cheque fraud, drug dealing, and burglary. She wasn't thinking of her career then was she?

She shouldn't have made excuses for accepting the money anyway.
she didn't have a conviction to her name. In essence, had she not married a Canadian and gone abroad she could have carried on doing what she wanted in the UK.
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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #446 on: December 15, 2019, 03:31:PM »
can I just ask not a question directed to you as such Caroline, but anyone what's Jeremy Bambers feelings towards Colin caffell got relevance wise ( not moaning that it can't be discussed.....


I think you'll find, that on a discussion forum such as this, rightly or wrongly, anything and everything regarding Jeremy, becomes relevant.

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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #447 on: December 15, 2019, 03:32:PM »
she didn't have a conviction to her name. In essence, had she not married a Canadian and gone abroad she could have carried on doing what she wanted in the UK.

She could, but schools might not like to employ people who sold their sordid stories to the NOTW in all their glory.

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« Reply #448 on: December 15, 2019, 03:32:PM »
how is a letter from early 1989, just over 2 years from the Chelmsford trial, addressed to Colin. Constitute a campaign of vitororol against him?
Well it's from the murderer of his two boys in the first instance. Even if you don't believe that the letters form a series starting in August 1988. Colin says it took him 4 and a half years to deal with the issues involved.

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Re: The Truth and the Documentary
« Reply #449 on: December 15, 2019, 03:37:PM »
Of course a member has the right to reply to any argument presented.  The clashes between us have been whenever JM has come under attack and that is where your replies have sometimes been in the form of persona attacks.

I do not understand the downgrading from Hero member - that is an automatic forum function based solely upon post count.  There were some changes to the overall categories and post count thresholds a few years ago but nothing recently.

You were banned around two years ago but the ban was lifted the following morning.  It may be that you did not attempt to logon during the short ban period.
I didn't even know I had been banned. Why are you mentioning this now if it's not a smear..