Perjury that went unchallenged at trial.

[Caroline]

We know he did ring on occasion, but the problem here is that there's only JB who knows that and nobody here believes him anyway ? This is the downside when you have a family that keep to themselves. Nobody believed JB when he mentioned fostering but gradually it came to light that he hadn't been lying.
Very difficult when you're not believed.

Sorry Lookout, how do we know? I've never seen Jeremy claim that he'd been called in the past to help with Sheila?

[Caroline]

JB hadn't known what was going on at the time. Not being " a man of the world " he wanted reassurance because JM had been aware that a phone-call from Nevill had occurred before. I'm sure JB would have mentioned it to JM during their courtship which is why she showed no surprise.

What's not to know? Sister has a gun and gone crazy - seems pretty straight forward to me. He told West that his dad sounded 'terrified' and 'wasn't messing about'. 

I don't think you can rewrite history Lookout - Jeremy wasn't a man of the world? By 25, he had travelled half way around the world on his own twice, lived in another country on his own and fended (for the most part) on his own and he had lived with an older women and her children. He was an adult, a man - not a boy. Plus, there is nothing to say that he had received such a call previously, I don't know where you are getting that from, unless you can point it out?

[Jane]

That " alleged conversation " with his parents was June controlling JB's future, the same as she did with Sheila's and both followed her instructions by parting company with their chosen ones as June was never enamoured with Colin either.

But there's no proof of A) any conversation, B) that particular conversation. Had there been one, there's no reason why June shouldn't have condoned the marriage rather than have him living close to WHF, in sin.

[Caroline]

That " alleged conversation " with his parents was June controlling JB's future, the same as she did with Sheila's and both followed her instructions by parting company with their chosen ones as June was never enamoured with Colin either.

June wanted them to get married, which given her prim and proper habits, isn't surprising. It was because June had wanted them to get married, that Jeremy decided he wouldn't. June had nothing to do with Sheila and Colin's break-up. Sheila's illness and I think Colin's immaturity (at that time) were the cause.

[Caroline]

But there's no proof of A) any conversation, B) that particular conversation. Had there been one, there's no reason why June shouldn't have condoned the marriage rather than have him living close to WHF, in sin.

She did condone it, that's why he chose to go the other way.

[Jane]

She did condone it, that's why he chose to go the other way.

Figures

[Caroline]

Figures

June and Nevill told Jeremy that they though it was time he got married at a Boxing day gathering. Jeremy had previously proposed to Julie but when he parents said that - he decided not to bother because he said that he felt like it was no longer his decision.

[Jane]

June and Nevill told Jeremy that they though it was time he got married at a Boxing day gathering. Jeremy had previously proposed to Julie but when he parents said that - he decided not to bother because he said that he felt like it was no longer his decision.

 I can actually see that within a very small space of time, June had probably organized the venue, the reception, and written a guest list......................and probably Jeremy had only sought to irritate them!!!

[guest7363]

June and Nevill told Jeremy that they though it was time he got married at a Boxing day gathering. Jeremy had previously proposed to Julie but when he parents said that - he decided not to bother because he said that he felt like it was no longer his decision.

Psychopaths like to be in charge Caroline, they like to have power and control but lack understanding of emotions.  To me that’s a classic when he said “it was no longer his decision”

[lookout]

Sorry Lookout, how do we know? I've never seen Jeremy claim that he'd been called in the past to help with Sheila?

Sheila had been unwell and having meltdowns in 1978 which is on this forum somewhere along with the fact that Jeremy had either been there at hand to help or called from wherever he was at the time.

[lookout]

What's not to know? Sister has a gun and gone crazy - seems pretty straight forward to me. He told West that his dad sounded 'terrified' and 'wasn't messing about'. 

I don't think you can rewrite history Lookout - Jeremy wasn't a man of the world? By 25, he had travelled half way around the world on his own twice, lived in another country on his own and fended (for the most part) on his own and he had lived with an older women and her children. He was an adult, a man - not a boy. Plus, there is nothing to say that he had received such a call previously, I don't know where you are getting that from, unless you can point it out?

Prior to his travelling he saw little of the outside world.

[lookout]

 I can actually see that within a very small space of time, June had probably organized the venue, the reception, and written a guest list......................and probably Jeremy had only sought to irritate them!!!

June refused them to get married in " her " church where Sheila had wanted to attend-----because she'd been pregnant.

[Caroline]

Prior to his travelling he saw little of the outside world.

Eh? How do you make that out? I really don't think he would agree with your perception of him Lookout.

[Caroline]

June refused them to get married in " her " church where Sheila had wanted to attend-----because she'd been pregnant.

What does that have to do with Jeremy and Julie?

[Jane]

June refused them to get married in " her " church where Sheila had wanted to attend-----because she'd been pregnant.

I'm talking about Jeremy's proposed nuptials! Keep up, please, Lookout!!!