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Offline Kaldin

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Re: Marks on Nevils arm.
« Reply #135 on: November 04, 2019, 09:42:PM »
Well, to be fair, a lot has been concentrated on it but to no avail. Quiet a lot of money was paid a few years ago to have theories 'Re: the silencer' tested but test remain incomplete. It was probably unwise to have submitted the results of such tests until they could have been completed. Here is  link the documentary made about the tests.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,370.msg189924.html#msg189924

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« Reply #136 on: November 05, 2019, 06:06:PM »
That is what forums are for. Opinions.

Stan Jones must have put Sheila's blood & the paint onto the silencer. After checking current evidence, the rifle lenght, Sheila's arm lenght, the possibility of back splatter on each victim & the crime scene photos.

Then asked the relatives to say they found the silencer.

Stan Jones never had Sheila's blood in his possession.

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« Reply #137 on: November 05, 2019, 07:56:PM »
Stan Jones never had Sheila's blood in his possession.




What about the canvas shoes he surreptitiously took from WHF as he told AE " you didn't see that ?" Sheila could well have worn them during the murders and if so there'd have been blood on them.

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« Reply #138 on: November 05, 2019, 07:58:PM »
Stan Jones never had Sheila's blood in his possession.

Thought the police had Sheila's blood in a fridge.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #139 on: November 05, 2019, 08:01:PM »
Thought the police had Sheila's blood in a fridge.

Yes they did. But those samples were up in the Huntingdon lab while Stan Jones had the silencer in his possession.

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Re: Marks on Nevils arm.
« Reply #140 on: November 05, 2019, 08:03:PM »
And the bloodied canvas shoes.

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« Reply #141 on: November 05, 2019, 08:32:PM »
Yes they did. But those samples were up in the Huntingdon lab while Stan Jones had the silencer in his possession.

Maybe the 'treacherous' Stan Jones broke into the Huntingdon lab at 2am?
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« Reply #142 on: November 05, 2019, 08:55:PM »
Maybe the 'treacherous' Stan Jones broke into the Huntingdon lab at 2am?

He wouldn't have known the blood was sent up there. Plus the silencer was already contaminated with blood before he received it.

This effectively rules him out. And narrows the suspect pool down to four people. David Boutfluour, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour or Peter Eaton.

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« Reply #143 on: November 05, 2019, 09:08:PM »
And the bloodied canvas shoes.

There weren't any 'bloodied' canvas shoes!
Few people have the imagination for reality

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« Reply #144 on: November 05, 2019, 09:39:PM »
He wouldn't have known the blood was sent up there. Plus the silencer was already contaminated with blood before he received it.

This effectively rules him out. And narrows the suspect pool down to four people. David Boutfluour, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour or Peter Eaton.

So Stan Jones wasn't so treacherous. It was the relatives who fabricated the silencer.

Julie & the industrial frame team doing the rest.
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« Reply #145 on: November 05, 2019, 09:55:PM »
So Stan Jones wasn't so treacherous. It was the relatives who fabricated the silencer.

Julie & the industrial frame team doing the rest.

As far as the lab is concerned, we know that they did not understand the dubious circumstances it was found in since DI Cook handed it to them under the pretence that Stan Jones had found it. We know from Mark Webster that Hayward had never seen backspatter in a silencer before. We know from Fletcher's testimony that he does not understand the subject of backspatter very well. And neither has he seen backspatter in a silencer before either. Thus the lab fooled themselves.

No industrial frame.

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Re: Marks on Nevils arm.
« Reply #146 on: November 06, 2019, 11:45:AM »
There weren't any 'bloodied' canvas shoes!




The black canvas shoes that Sheila wore that day when her and her mother went shopping. Sheila would have worn them with her day clothes that night too. SJ took them away, unless you know/knew where they are/were when pics were taken.?

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« Reply #147 on: November 06, 2019, 11:50:AM »
It was AE who'd mentioned the black canvas shoes initially saying that Sheila must have had big feet. Did AE not notice that either on someone she'd purported to have known well ?

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« Reply #148 on: November 06, 2019, 12:23:PM »



The black canvas shoes that Sheila wore that day when her and her mother went shopping. Sheila would have worn them with her day clothes that night too. SJ took them away, unless you know/knew where they are/were when pics were taken.?


So Sheila WOULD, would she? You know this how? I'd say chances are equally high that indoors Sheila went barefoot. I'd also have said it would be rather difficult to see blood on black canvas footwear. Are you saying your eyes detect that there were bloodstains without ever setting eyes on them?

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Re: Marks on Nevils arm.
« Reply #149 on: November 06, 2019, 12:30:PM »

So Sheila WOULD, would she? You know this how? I'd say chances are equally high that indoors Sheila went barefoot. I'd also have said it would be rather difficult to see blood on black canvas footwear. Are you saying your eyes detect that there were bloodstains without ever setting eyes on them?




Shoes have insides as well as outsides so blood would have been visible/detected on the inside if EP had bothered to examine them----which they didn't as they weren't given an exhibit number for starters.
Why the need to " say nothing " when SJ took them away ?