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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2022, 07:31:PM »
Do you think the crime was premeditated germaine?

It’s hard to tell, Steveuk. My hunch is no. I think they started arguing at 1654 (ab spotted them arguing at the lane), they obviously continued arguing as they walked westward down the rdp towards nbattle, and the argument reached its horrific climax at 1715 behind that wall (cyclist lk heard ‘strangling noises’ that gave him a fright and made him slow down). btw, luke and jodi had been arguing at school that day ... this was testified in court ... lots of info out there re this case, but some of it is now hard to find to cite.

sorry for any typos ... i’m typing from my iphone.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2022, 07:34:PM »
It’s hard to tell, Steveuk. My hunch is no. I think they started arguing at 1654 (ab spotted them arguing at the lane), they obviously continued arguing as they walked westward down the rdp towards nbattle, and the argument reached its horrific climax at 1715 behind that wall (cyclist lk heard ‘strangling noises’ that gave him a fright and made him slow down). btw, luke and jodi had been arguing at school that day ... this was testified in court ... lots of info out there re this case, but some of it is now hard to find to cite.

sorry for any typos ... i’m typing from my iphone.
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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2022, 07:37:PM »
so after estroying one parker jacket he thn goes an buys one thats exatly the same not exactly credible is it.
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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2022, 07:38:PM »
so after estroying one parker jacket he thn goes an buys one thats eatly the same not exactly credible is it.
It is if the first one was bloodstained.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2022, 07:53:PM »
so you doent ont ineintfeid as man in a parka jackat so you but a parker jacket thats absurd.
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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2022, 07:57:PM »
so you ont ineintfeid as man in a parka jackat thats absurd.
Maybe mother and son thought it would be better to get a replacement to avoid talk, who knows? By the way: I wish people wouldn't conceal information or views as it devalues this website.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2022, 08:01:PM »
Maybe mother and son thought it would be better to get a replacement to avoid talk, who knows? By the way: I wish people wouldn't conceal information or views as it devalues this website.
This is a public forum and you should not IMO, identify a person as a potential killer without watertight evidence. I do not hide my views.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2022, 08:36:PM »
"I’ll tell you why he wasn’t seen between 1740 - 1800 ... he went home via the shortcut in the woodlands to change his clothes, facilitated by CM (and he didn’t necessarily go into his house at this point to change ... cm or sm could easily had passed clothes out to him in that house/garage that was well concealed with trees, bushes, climbing ivy)."

So he rocked up to his garage bear in mind no witnesses ever claimed that the garage door was open this is your speculation, and shouted to him mum and brother that he'd just murdered Jodi and asked for help to change and clean up, they obliged and this clean up was done in less than 15 mins taking into account the time for him to get from the Newbattle end of the path then from his house to the end of his street? Why just burn the parka why not the t-shirt trousers and shoes?

"AB had only seen that couple for a few seconds while being preoccupied"

Again how could she allude to the German army flags if this is the case?

"And, contrary to what SL says, AB did not say the male had thick shaggy hair"

I did not mention what SL says in regards to this I mentioned her in regards to AB saying it was not a parka she saw.

"Blood spraying forward with the perp behind the victim, cutting and slashing, is a possible explanation for a lack of blood on the perp."

This might go some way to explaining lack of blood transference from one particular wound that was inflicted it does not account for the whole scenario that happened. Derek Scrimger who agreed with Alan Turnbull QC that that was one possibility also agreed with Findlay that if Jodi's clothes had been removed after death that the perpetrator would likely be blood stained. Initially the police believed the attacker would be heavily bloodstained and asked the public to be aware of and report anyone with bloodstained clothing or anyone who handed bloodstained items into the dry cleaners.
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/JODI%27S+WRISTS+TIED+UP+WITH+TROUSERS%3B+Expert+tells+of+body+found+at...-a0126143100

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/DERANGED+JODI+KILLER+SOAKED+IN+HER+BLOOD%3B+Girl%27s+throat+slit+in...-a0104595665

"Funny how the boys that he met up with in the abbey (David High & David Tulloch) testified in court that LM was more cleaner and more kempt that evening. A lot more tidier and cleaner than his usual scruffy self. Funny that, eh? The circumstantial evidence against LM was overwhelming, imo."

Luke was forensically examined by a police doctor that night who said his hair was greasy and unwashed and he had rings of dirt around his neck and ankles and dirt under his nails, suggesting he hadn't washed at all recently. I'm more inclined to believe this over the testimony of friends who had been led to believe for 10 months leading up to trial that Luke was the only suspect.

"I think they started arguing at 1654 (ab spotted them arguing at the lane)"

The 2008 appeal puts AB's sighting at between 4:50pm and 4:55pm Luke was on the phone to the speaking clock at 4:54pm which the prosecution claimed he was out of the house possibly checking the time as he was on his way to meet Jodi. Why would he phone the speaking clock if he was already in the company of Jodi and arguing. AB made no mention of a phone and said the male that she seen had his hands outstretched in front of him.

"The circumstantial evidence against LM was overwhelming, imo."

The appeal Judges described the evidence as ;
 'open to challenge' (AB's sighting), 2. capable of an innocent explanation (the 'finding' of the body) and 3. 'not unequivocal' (Luke's brother saying that he didn't know whether Luke was home or not). This was their strongest 'evidence'
All the Satanism Marilyn Manson and Black Dahlia evidence was not to be founded upon at appeal.

https://www.scotcourts.gov.uk/search-judgments/judgment?id=e2988aa6-8980-69d2-b500-ff0000d74aa7

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2022, 08:36:PM »
This is a public forum and you should not IMO, identify a person as a potential killer without watertight evidence. I do not hide my views.
It's the Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion primarily, but we discuss other topics also.

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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2022, 08:58:PM »
This is a public forum and you should not IMO, identify a person as a potential killer without watertight evidence. I do not hide my views.

No circumstantial case will ever be watertight. Never ever, by its very definition. However, LM was found guilty by a majority verdict in what was longest trial of a single-accused in Scottish criminal history. He had the best defence lawyer in the land in DF. His subsequent appeals have failed. Tells you all you need to know. Lm may very well be innocent, but I’d be extremely surprised if he was. The circumstantial evidence against him was overwhelming, imo.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2022, 09:00:PM »
as far a ican see tere isnt even a cercumstancel case.

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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2022, 09:12:PM »
as far a ican see tere isnt even a cercumstancel case.
He found the body for a start. He was the victim's boyfriend. The alibi was provided by his mother. True it's all circumstantial. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6759709/luke-mitchell-evidence-guilty-jodi-jones-murder/

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2022, 09:38:PM »
He found the body for a start. He was the victim's boyfriend. The alibi was provided by his mother. True it's all circumstantial. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6759709/luke-mitchell-evidence-guilty-jodi-jones-murder/

thatnot a cecumsancel ae none of that oul be consiered evence evedence.

you cant ay well hes a boyfrien so he must of done itan if the harged everyone who found i dont thinkthey woul eer fin any.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2022, 10:33:PM »
No circumstantial case will ever be watertight. Never ever, by its very definition. However, LM was found guilty by a majority verdict in what was longest trial of a single-accused in Scottish criminal history. He had the best defence lawyer in the land in DF. His subsequent appeals have failed. Tells you all you need to know. Lm may very well be innocent, but I’d be extremely surprised if he was. The circumstantial evidence against him was overwhelming, imo.

I think you may have misread or misunderstood my post. My point was in relation to naming an alternative suspect. You cannot do that without watertight evidence on a public forum. I accept that LM was convicted according to law and that the evidence against him was circumstantial. The media circus that preceded the trial and other reporting during the ten month leading up to charging may have had an affect on some jurors. I also know this was rejected on appeal. The story (for that is what it is in a trial) produced by the prosecution we now know was a gross exaggeration on many aspects for example the Manson stuff. This too swayed the jury. Our system of justice is not perfect and mistakes are made albeit inadvertently.

I do not like to think that LM has been wronged but equally I would not want it to happen to another without a watertight case.

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Re: Luke's German Army Parka
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2022, 10:38:PM »
By the way: I wish people wouldn't conceal information or views as it devalues this website.

I'm unsure who you are referring to but I completely agree with this view which is why I can't understand why you keep posting links across the board to the Sun and Daily Records main articles on the case.

AT the time of Jodi's murder, Mitchell was described as having an interest in knives, and owned a 4 inch 'skunting' blade.
That knife and its pouch were not found during an extensive police search of Mitchell's home.
During another search the following year, the pouch was recovered - featuring a number of inscriptions including the numbers 666 and "JJ 1989 - 2003", marking Jodi's birth and death.
A further quote also read: "The finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came", a quote from the lead singer of Nirvana.
According to pathologist Professor Anthony Busuttil, the murder weapon which caused the injuries to Jodi's throat was a "stout, sharp-pointed, blade".
When questioned, Mitchell failed to provide an explanation over the missing knife.


From <https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6759709/luke-mitchell-evidence-guilty-jodi-jones-murder/>

This article is very misleading and conceals a lot of information.
Corrine purchased a 4 inch 'skunting' blade in December 2003 5 months after the murder. If Luke did not own it "at the time of the murder" it makes sense that it wasn't found during the initial search on the 4th of July 2003.

Dobbie believed this was a replacement knife. There is no evidence put forward to support Dobbie's theory.

Mr Dobbie said: "When we searched the house we also found a knife pouch with the inscription ‘JJ 1989-2003’ and the numbers 666 written on it and one of Jodi’s favourite quotes. It was like some kind of memorial to Jodi.
"We made inquiries and discovered that Mrs Mitchell had bought a knife which came with a pouch identical to this one in December 2003. She said she had bought it for him to go on a camping trip. But why purchase that knife. It seemed bizarre, bearing in mind Jodi had been killed and that her son was a suspect.
"We started to question whether that knife was a replacement to one he had previously."


From <https://www.scotsman.com/news/clues-snared-murderer-2470415>

According to pathologist Professor Anthony Busuttil, the murder weapon which caused the injuries to Jodi's throat was a "stout, sharp-pointed, blade".

Professor Anthony Busuttil also said that this knife was too small to have caused the injuries inflicted on Jodi's tonsil without damaging the Luke Mitchells hand. There were no injuries on Luke's hand when he was examined. Professor Busuttil has appeared in both the recent channel 5 documentary and the 2007 BBC documentary made about this case.

"When questioned, Mitchell failed to provide an explanation over the missing knife."

During the section 14 interview/interrogation, police showed Luke a photograph of a knife, asking if he recognised it.
Luke confirmed that it was his fishing knife.
The detective went on to ask: Where’s that knife now?
Luke replied: I don’t know the police have probably got it.
The detective asked: You’ve no idea where it is?
Luke: Well, considering you’ve got photos of it, I take it you’ve got it, haven’t you?
The police went on to show Luke another photo of another knife, which Luke confirmed was a knife used for opening boxes at work. The detective asked again: “Where did that go?”
Luke replied: “Well, considering you’ve got the photos, you’ve got it, haven’t you?”
The detective replied: “Well, how did we get it then?”
There was nothing to say that any of these knives had been used in Jodi’s murder.
Sandra Lean
Innocents Betrayed


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