Five Magic Bullets

[sami]

I'll ignore that, plonker.

now now lookout, she could have grabbed her neck when the shot were being fired at her,its common for people that have been shot to put their hands to the wounds

[lookout]

Depends on how sophisticated were the tests back then.

Well knowing how EP shaped---talcum powder and a flu brush.

[Jane]

So what was Sheila doing in all this ? Watching her children being shot ?

Imagining she was in a nightmare she'd wake up from?

[sami]

I think he tested the gun on the twins first, afraid that it might jam, then splayed his parents in the master bedroom with bullets, and whilst they came to their senses rushed downstairs to reload. I just can't picture Sheila having the energy or the nous to do this.

could be steve,but i fancy he knew what that rifle could do having used it previously ,so no need to test,i feel the main targets which needed taking out first were the parents,a groggy sheila and the little twins could not easily escape a locked farm

[guest7363]

I know this scenario has been suggested and quite elaborately by other members but I reject it. It's my opinion that he still hadn't fully made his mind up at the time of the first telephone call to Julie, that she didn't fully realize the import during their twenty-minute conversation, that he was brooding over the events of the day: the orders given by Nevill, the laboriousness of the tasks, the favoritism his parents afforded the twins, the languidness of Sheila and a possible caustic remark to his detriment in the fields, the television programme on miscarriages which triggered June's hurtful remarks concerning Suzette which may have acted as a catalyst that yes, they all deserved to die..

It could have been a trigger yes Steve, you mean the phone conversation the night before?  What do you make of his friend Brett, arriving in June, staying till end of July, going out the country JUST before the murders, returning again just after?   Planning or what!  Julie gets dumped when him and Brett have other plans, a life without Julie.

[guest7363]

Imagining she was in a nightmare she'd wake up from?

Yes I bet it took her by surprise Jane, she never looked stressed out in the photo even in death though, making me think she hadn’t been in a rage or fit ect

[lookout]

Imagining she was in a nightmare she'd wake up from?

During her time shooting them !

[Steve_uk]

could be steve,but i fancy he knew what that rifle could do having used it previously ,so no need to test,i feel the main targets which needed taking out first were the parents,a groggy sheila and the little twins could not easily escape a locked farm

But he couldn't have the twins running around, plus if he was as squeamish as the Jeremy supporters are making out he would want to dispatch them quickly whilst still under the covers.

[sami]

It could have been a trigger yes Steve, you mean the phone conversation the night before?  What do you make of his friend Brett, arriving in June, staying till end of July, going out the country JUST before the murders, returning again just after?   Planning or what!  Julie gets dumped when him and Brett have other plans, a life without Julie.

yes rj bamber made some very bad mistakes telling julie was one,the call to police was another,iam sure other members could add some more,he may have driven the car home that night and returned on junes bike within an hour.than went to bed for the early morning start,but only he would see the sunrise the others were dead

[Steve_uk]

It could have been a trigger yes Steve, you mean the phone conversation the night before?  What do you make of his friend Brett, arriving in June, staying till end of July, going out the country JUST before the murders, returning again just after?   Planning or what!  Julie gets dumped when him and Brett have other plans, a life without Julie.

I'm not sure it was as simple as that. Remember Jeremy had spent many long nights at boarding school feeling out of his depth and thus welcomed company from all quarters. Brett may have caught wind of what was in the air and scarpered but there's no evidence to support it save some blog I recall from years ago that he knew how to enter and exit a country whilst bypassing passport control.

[sami]

But he couldn't have the twins running around, plus if he was as squeamish as the Jeremy supporters are making out he would want to dispatch them quickly whilst still under the covers.

thats true steve,but no one could hear the twins or sheila while they were locked in the farm,had june or neville managed to get out and start screaming,that could have ruined the whole plan,plus the number of shots to each twin tells me he was in no hurry or else two shots a piece to the head would be enough

[guest7363]

I'm not sure it was as simple as that. Remember Jeremy had spent many long nights at boarding school feeling out of his depth and thus welcomed company from all quarters. Brett may have caught wind of what was in the air and scarpered but there's no evidence to support it save some blog I recall from years ago that he knew how to enter and exit a country whilst bypassing passport control.

Bingo, have you got the blog Steve?

[guest7363]

thats true steve,but no one could hear the twins or sheila while they were locked in the farm,had june or neville managed to get out and start screaming,that could have ruined the whole plan,plus the number of shots to each twin tells me he was in no hurry or else two shots a piece to the head would be enough

What about, Neville has gone for the trailer that Bamber left him, Sheila is in June’s bedroom chatting about religion, Bamber quickly goes upstairs, shoots the twins, Sheila jumps up with the muffled noise of the silencer, Bamber meets her coming out the bedroom, orders her inside, he shoots June several times, orders Sheila to lie down, bang then shoots June quickly again realises Sheila isn’t dead and offers the second shot?  Neville returns but goes straight in shower, Bamber then had ample time for Neville.  Then he drives home, so could it have been done earlier than everyone is led to believe?

[Kaldin]

What about, Neville has gone for the trailer that Bamber left him, Sheila is in June’s bedroom chatting about religion, Bamber quickly goes upstairs, shoots the twins, Sheila jumps up with the muffled noise of the silencer, Bamber meets her coming out the bedroom, orders her inside, he shoots June several times, orders Sheila to lie down, bang then shoots June quickly again realises Sheila isn’t dead and offers the second shot?  Neville returns but goes straight in shower, Bamber then had ample time for Neville.  Then he drives home, so could it have been done earlier than everyone is led to believe?

He would have had to reload after shooting the twins. He might have had bullets in his pocket, but it would still take time to reload.

[Steve_uk]

Bingo, have you got the blog Steve?

I read that story very early on in my association with the case-probably about seven years ago. I know it's not been mentioned exclusively by myself since so maybe someone could direct us to the source?