The ITV Drama

[Jan]

The scene where Sheila was having that breakdown was awful. Freddie was hoping for some help, the twins were cowering in another room, and Jeremy and Julie just walked out. I know it didn't happen, but it was still horrible. It didn't show Julie in a good light either.

I agree . It was harrowing.

I think they put jeremy and Julie falsely at the scene to make it look like they had witnessed how bad she could be and had a full understanding of her breakdowns.

But that was not necessarily true.

[Kaldin]

I agree . It was harrowing.

I think they put jeremy and Julie falsely at the scene to make it look like they had witnessed how bad she could be and had a full understanding of her breakdowns.

But that was not necessarily true.

It wasn't true. Freddie called Colin's mother.

I think they wanted to show how callous Jeremy was. His sister was having a breakdown, and his nephews were terrified, but he just wanted to have a drink. As I said, it didn't show Julie in a good light either because she knew the boys were terrified and she just left them as well.

[Jan]

It wasn't true. Freddie called Colin's mother.

I think they wanted to show how callous Jeremy was. His sister was having a breakdown, and his nephews were terrified, but he just wanted to have a drink. As I said, it didn't show Julie in a good light either because she knew the boys were terrified and she just left them as well.

Sorry worded that badly.

I know the scene was falsified . I was angry watching it. What I meant was I am not sure jeremy necessarily had a full understanding or even interest in his sisters illness. I have not seen any evidence he actually saw her at the time of one of her sad relapses.

[Roch]

The scene where Sheila was having that breakdown was awful. Freddie was hoping for some help, the twins were cowering in another room, and Jeremy and Julie just walked out. I know it didn't happen, but it was still horrible. It didn't show Julie in a good light either.

Disgraceful that.  Someone should be sued for it.  Obviously Bamber cannot do so, which means he is easy prey for stuff like that.

[Kaldin]

Sorry worded that badly.

I know the scene was falsified . I was angry watching it. What I meant was I am not sure jeremy necessarily had a full understanding or even interest in his sisters illness. I have not seen any evidence he actually saw her at the time of one of her sad relapses.

No, me neither. I don't know where he was when she had the two breakdowns, or if he visited her in hospital.

[lookout]

No, me neither. I don't know where he was when she had the two breakdowns, or if he visited her in hospital.

I think I remember JB saying he'd wished he'd visited Sheila in hospital and taken more interest in her illness.

[Jan]

Disgraceful that.  Someone should be sued for it.  Obviously Bamber cannot do so, which means he is easy prey for stuff like that.

As was the misrepresentation of how long and how much Julie allegedly knew of his plans . If they are going to portray her as the truth teller , they should at least make the portrayal true to her statements .

[Steve_uk]

It was a lazy scene by the scriptwriters, false, serving one assumes the purpose succinctly showing the anguish of mental illness, the inability of people around it to deal with it and possibly handing Jeremy a warped justification for killing the twins in that he believed erroneously that they would grow up damaged raised in such a household, whereas what was depicted was far from the reality of their daily lives.

[Romeo]

He had witnessed enough over those last few months from March 1985 to know that her Haloperidol injections had deleterious side-effects which made her physically impaired to the point he realized he could accomplish his diabolical mission. I agree that June especially was interfering in the life of the twins with the justification that she was improving their welfare in the long run and maybe she did have their best interests at heart, but this of course involved expenditure on a private education which Jeremy interpreted solely as a threat to his inheritance.

I totally agree Steve....I firmly believe JB disliked the twins from their birth because JB's inheritance would be spread to include the twins. I've looked back over JB's statements particularly his first one when he speaks of dates when he went to Australia aged 19 and the time Sheila left the farm at 17. I got the impression JB was jealous of the attention the twins were given by Neville and June...at  one point Neville considered Shelia moved into JB''s Cottage. It's worth looking where JB was during Shelia's break up from her husband! Blaming his sister for the murders was convenient owing to her illness, after which JB wouldn't be drawn into any talk about the twins, saying it was up to Colin what happened after their deaths. Even when speaking to authors and members from this site JB would not talk about the twins! He also firstly refused to enter the twins bedroom with Ann Easton.  Talk by the family early on the night of the murders was ( as told by Jeremy) about the twins welfare, I firmly believe this is what tipped JB over the edge.... Jealousy can turn one mind.

[Steve_uk]

I totally agree Steve....I firmly believe JB disliked the twins from their birth because JB's inheritance would be spread to include the twins. I've looked back over JB's statements particularly his first one when he speaks of dates when he went to Australia aged 19 and the time Sheila left the farm at 17. I got the impression JB was jealous of the attention the twins were given by Neville and June...at  one point Neville considered Shelia moved into JB''s Cottage. It's worth looking where JB was during Shelia's break up from her husband! Blaming his sister for the murders was convenient owing to her illness, after which JB wouldn't be drawn into any talk about the twins, saying it was up to Colin what happened after their deaths. Even when speaking to authors and members from this site JB would not talk about the twins! He also firstly refused to enter the twins bedroom with Ann Easton.  Talk by the family early on the night of the murders was ( as told by Jeremy) about the twins welfare, I firmly believe this is what tipped JB over the edge.... Jealousy can turn one mind.

There's no doubt that June was making plans in her own head for the twins' future. Maybe Colin wrestled with his conscience about how much leverage he would allow June, given that at the time he was without means of his own, yet sensing that their grandmother was in some respects alien to them. They were reaching an age when Jeremy himself had been sent away to boarding school, and maybe this played a role in his thinking, along with Barbara Wilson's claim that June was considering making provision for them after her death.

[Romeo]

Once I realised how much Jeremy disliked the twins, other things began to make sense. Will post again tomorrow....

[David1819]

Once I realised how much Jeremy disliked the twins, other things began to make sense. Will post again tomorrow....

How did you come to this realization? Has he ever explicitly expressed such a thing? Or is it supposition on your part?

[Steve_uk]

How did you come to this realization? Has he ever explicitly expressed such a thing? Or is it supposition on your part?

He told Liz Rimington. If you were not moved by Wednesday's episode there's really no hope for you..

[David1819]

He told Liz Rimington. If you were not moved by Wednesday's episode there's really no hope for you..

Are we talking about the actual events of 1985 or the semi fictional drama?

[Jan]

as we know we all talk about scenarios and everyone is very willing to accept that sheila would just lay there and not try and resist , fight  or defend herself . She and Jeremy had to get in exactly the right place to fake the suicide as he shot her . It’s been suggested that she gave up because she had lost everything as she knew jeremy had shot the twins .

However the other scenario is that she would have done anything to make sure jeremy did not get away with killing her precious boys and would have fought to the bitter end .


It’s an odd situation . And so many permutations.

It seems to me from recent posts it all boils down to the silencer and the “blood “ evidence . Solve that and the truth could be found .