The ITV Drama

[Steve_uk]

Julie said ?

Julie said she was an honest person under oath in the witness box

Steve you must be a superhuman if you can tell when Julie Mugford was luring and when she was telling the truth

Julie had a massive motive to lie about Jeremy

You cannot keep quoting Julie said when you are trying to make a valid point??

This girl was the master of deception from the cheque book fraud to the trip to the movie to the witness box

Can you please explain why Julie stated under oath she was an honest person ?

Well she admitted at trial she wasn't "completely honest".

"I am not good at telling lies. I made one mistake. That was my biggest mistake. I've done my best to get over it.  Just because I did that doesn't mean I lie about everything else, because I don't. As far as I'm concerned, I'm more honest than a lot of people. I know because I had the courage to admit that I'd done that. I didn't have to."

[lookout]

All this is possible lookout but we just don't know. Julie said Jeremy told her he himself had instigated the subject of fostering and adoption that night as a way of unsettling Sheila. It's an indication to my mind that he (incredibly) still hadn't made up his mind one way or the other at that specific time whether to go ahead with the massacre.

Fostering was spoken about that night because Dr Ferguson in his statement had said that it would " push her over the edge "-----so he obviously took JB's word for it or where else did the doctor get his information from ?
It wouldn't have been JB who'd instigated the conversation as he hadn't joined in around the table. There would only have been June, Nevill and Sheila.

[Steve_uk]

Fostering was spoken about that night because Dr Ferguson in his statement had said that it would " push her over the edge "-----so he obviously took JB's word for it or where else did the doctor get his information from ?
It wouldn't have been JB who'd instigated the conversation as he hadn't joined in around the table. There would only have been June, Nevill and Sheila.

He probably read Julie's statements before making his own comment that Sheila would react unfavourably should the twins be forcibly removed from her. But as has been stated in previous posts it was Colin who was doing the lion's share of the caring with Sheila accommodating the twins at weekends. From all reports the boys guarded the time with their mother jealously and looked forward to these visits.

As for the supper conversation Jeremy would be eavesdropping as usual, even if he did not sit down to partake of the evening meal.

[Jan]

He probably read Julie's statements before making his own comment that Sheila would react unfavourably should the twins be forcibly removed from her. But as has been stated in previous posts it was Colin who was doing the lion's share of the caring with Sheila accommodating the twins at weekends. From all reports the boys guarded the time with their mother jealously and looked forward to these visits.

As for the supper conversation Jeremy would be eavesdropping as usual, even if he did not sit down to partake of the evening meal.

Yes but perhaps June and neville did not want Colin to have the twins so much . Perhaps they felt they were losing control ? All I am saying is that the conversation was a possibility , and did jeremy really know enough about sheilas illness to know the scenario would be accepted as a trigger to a relapse . That’s the problem , one minute he is portrayed as a selfish uncaring arrogant person . The next he is an expert on sheilas illness . The two portrayals don’t really add up .

[Steve_uk]

Yes but perhaps June and neville did not want Colin to have the twins so much . Perhaps they felt they were losing control ? All I am saying is that the conversation was a possibility , and did jeremy really know enough about sheilas illness to know the scenario would be accepted as a trigger to a relapse . That’s the problem , one minute he is portrayed as a selfish uncaring arrogant person . The next he is an expert on sheilas illness . The two portrayals don’t really add up .

He had witnessed enough over those last few months from March 1985 to know that her Haloperidol injections had deleterious side-effects which made her physically impaired to the point he realized he could accomplish his diabolical mission. I agree that June especially was interfering in the life of the twins with the justification that she was improving their welfare in the long run and maybe she did have their best interests at heart, but this of course involved expenditure on a private education which Jeremy interpreted solely as a threat to his inheritance.

[lookout]

How can anyone accomplish something like a mass murder when they're not even violent or aggressive to start with ? Not even a sign of a bad temper. He was a pretty placid character.
It was those around him who'd displayed " behavioural " problems !! 

[lookout]

He hated going on shoots because he didn't like seeing the pheasants being shot and took no part in it. So how on earth, if he couldn't bear shooting a bird,  could he possibly contemplate shooting humans ?

[Steve_uk]

The murders were a means to an end lookout. Didn't he practise on rats first to check his mettle?

[lookout]

The murders were a means to an end lookout. Didn't he practise on rats first to check his mettle?

Not that I've read, Steve.

[Steve_uk]

Not that I've read, Steve.

It's in one of Julie's statements. Take that as you wish..

[lookout]

It's in one of Julie's statements. Take that as you wish..

One of his quips to make him look a man probably. He was like the original " Billy Liar ".

[Kaldin]

The scene where Sheila was having that breakdown was awful. Freddie was hoping for some help, the twins were cowering in another room, and Jeremy and Julie just walked out. I know it didn't happen, but it was still horrible. It didn't show Julie in a good light either.

[lookout]

Sheila wouldn't have been aware of anything like that Kaldin. They don't remember their outbursts.

[Kaldin]

Sheila wouldn't have been aware of anything like that Kaldin. They don't remember their outbursts.

I don't mean that, I mean the portrayal of Jeremy and Julie just leaving it all to Freddie. The poor man didn't know what to do. Julie saw the twins were traumatised but just left with Jeremy.

[lookout]

I don't mean that, I mean the portrayal of Jeremy and Julie just leaving it all to Freddie. The poor man didn't know what to do. Julie saw the twins were traumatised but just left with Jeremy.

Oh yes, the bit showing the twins was awful. I did keep thinking about that. Freddie was petrified just as he'd described in his statement and was at a loss what to do.
I reckon they'd have all been scared, even Julie and Jeremy.