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Offline sami

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« Reply #2175 on: February 02, 2020, 11:10:AM »




Oh, c'mon, I took you to be more intelligent than you appear to be.

Sheila had been materialistic. Why a property in Maida Vale ? Wasn't a cottage in the same village as her family good enough ?

It seems that while living with Colin she wanted her own way or threw a strop along with pots and pans.
In her younger life her parents bent over backwards to find her and fund her the job which she wanted and even that didn't seem enough. Parents funded her trip to Japan which was a waste of time and money. In the end Sheila didn't have to work. Wouldn't we all have loved such a life ?
now i can see the way jb thought is the same as you,the bitterness that his sister had a flat in london while he had to live near the farm because he worked

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« Reply #2176 on: February 02, 2020, 11:16:AM »
now i can see the way jb thought is the same as you,the bitterness that his sister had a flat in london while he had to live near the farm because he worked





Me, bitter ? Such a trait has never existed so far as I'm concerned. I wasn't talking about ME anyway !
I happened to have been talking about Sheila, but you can't help twisting things to suit can you ?

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2177 on: February 02, 2020, 11:24:AM »




Me, bitter ? Such a trait has never existed so far as I'm concerned. I wasn't talking about ME anyway !
I happened to have been talking about Sheila, but you can't help twisting things to suit can you ?
wasnt a cottage in the same village (good enough)that sounds like your bitter to me.but your right ive not seen that trait in you

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« Reply #2178 on: February 02, 2020, 11:51:AM »




Oh, c'mon, I took you to be more intelligent than you appear to be.

Sheila had been materialistic. Why a property in Maida Vale ? Wasn't a cottage in the same village as her family good enough ?

It seems that while living with Colin she wanted her own way or threw a strop along with pots and pans.
In her younger life her parents bent over backwards to find her and fund her the job which she wanted and even that didn't seem enough. Parents funded her trip to Japan which was a waste of time and money. In the end Sheila didn't have to work. Wouldn't we all have loved such a life ?

Jeremy's trips were funded, his house was free, his car and fuel were free, he was paid a salary and he didn't have schizophrenia - wouldn't we have all loved such a life? I know which  would choose.
Few people have the imagination for reality

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« Reply #2179 on: February 02, 2020, 12:17:PM »
Jeremy's trips were funded, his house was free, his car and fuel were free, he was paid a salary and he didn't have schizophrenia - wouldn't we have all loved such a life? I know which  would choose.





That made two of them then, didn't it ? No good ever comes from those who don't have to graft for their pay !!

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« Reply #2180 on: February 02, 2020, 03:21:PM »




Oh, c'mon, I took you to be more intelligent than you appear to be.

Sheila had been materialistic. Why a property in Maida Vale ? Wasn't a cottage in the same village as her family good enough ?

It seems that while living with Colin she wanted her own way or threw a strop along with pots and pans.
In her younger life her parents bent over backwards to find her and fund her the job which she wanted and even that didn't seem enough. Parents funded her trip to Japan which was a waste of time and money. In the end Sheila didn't have to work. Wouldn't we all have loved such a life ?


Given that Nevill bought the flat, he was hardly going to buy somewhere in the 'wrong' address because it wouldn't have been somewhere he wanted Sheila to live, apart from which London, per se, was where her life was, an NO! absolutely NO! She most definitely didn't want to live near her parents.

Colin doesn't strike me as being the argumentative type, however, I believe there probably existed between them, a war of attrition. He'd walk away. Sheila would be determined to get his attention. Utensil got hurled. Why would you claim she wanted her own way?

I think you'll find that the Japanese job may have have been part and parcel of her modelling course. Had it been a success, it would have led to more assignments  -I believe it was from Japan that she made a request to see a psychiatrist?- Certainly, like all her health care, it was funded by June and Nevill. As was the failed secretarial course, and the failed hairdressing apprenticeship. It's what parents do. She could hardly have been said to be living the high life when she ended up as a cleaner. NO! I wouldn't have like her life.

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« Reply #2181 on: February 02, 2020, 03:33:PM »
Jeremy's trips were funded, his house was free, his car and fuel were free, he was paid a salary and he didn't have schizophrenia - wouldn't we have all loved such a life? I know which  would choose.


If you live in a nice area this is normal. Parents will always help there children with jobs and get on the property and work in the family company

This happens with thousands and millions of homes across the family

He lived a normal existence in a dysfunctional family and had savings in the bank at the time of the murders

Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000

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« Reply #2182 on: February 02, 2020, 03:37:PM »




That made two of them then, didn't it ? No good ever comes from those who don't have to graft for their pay !!


Lookout, there was nothing unusual about their life-styles. Their's was no different from most others in that social class.

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2183 on: February 02, 2020, 03:43:PM »




Me, bitter ? Such a trait has never existed so far as I'm concerned. I wasn't talking about ME anyway !
I happened to have been talking about Sheila, but you can't help twisting things to suit can you ?


Mmm, and it comes over quite strongly, that you think Sheila did better than Jeremy. Jeremy had two Australasian trips funded, and he had a house given him. Still, I can see that he, like you, may have thought Sheila got the better deal.

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« Reply #2184 on: February 02, 2020, 04:07:PM »

Mmm, and it comes over quite strongly, that you think Sheila did better than Jeremy. Jeremy had two Australasian trips funded, and he had a house given him. Still, I can see that he, like you, may have thought Sheila got the better deal.





I did NOT say nor think that Sheila did better than Jeremy. These are simply your thoughts that enable you to contradict what I've said. They were both treated equally, except that you conveniently forget a few things while you're JB bashing.

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« Reply #2185 on: February 02, 2020, 04:15:PM »




I did NOT say nor think that Sheila did better than Jeremy. These are simply your thoughts that enable you to contradict what I've said. They were both treated equally, except that you conveniently forget a few things while you're JB bashing.

You didn't have to SAY, Lookout. It's how it comes over. I'd agree that, as far as was possible, unless the cost of an Australasian trip is compared with the cost of a London flat, or the cost of another failed career, the Bambers treated them both equally. HOWEVER, it's not about how WE see the situation, is it? It's about how Jeremy believed it to be. We MAY be a better judge of it than he because we weren't personally involved.

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« Reply #2186 on: February 05, 2020, 10:06:PM »
Errors tonight?

Jeremy was not at the flat when sheila had her last episode ?

Jeremy had been planning the murders for over a year according to Julie’s statements ? Not 20 weeks ?

She did not just walk into the police station?

I don’t believe even the journalist said he actually looked at the pornagraphic photos ( no need to debate this again)

Anne Eaton did not knock Colin’s door and tell him jeremy had been arrested .


Some of these things are actually quite important .


But if course it’s a drama based on facts , that covers a multitude of sins .

Taff looking quite the down trodden fiery tyrant now.

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2187 on: February 05, 2020, 10:07:PM »
Errors tonight?

Jeremy was not at the flat when sheila had her last episode ?

Jeremy had been planning the murders for over a year according to Julie’s statements ? Not 20 weeks ?

She did not just walk into the police station?

I don’t believe even the journalist said he actually looked at the pornagraphic photos ( no need to debate this again)

Anne Eaton did not knock Colin’s door and tell him jeremy had been arrested .


Some of these things are actually quite important .


But if course it’s a drama based on facts , that covers a multitude of sins .

Taff looking quite the down trodden fiery tyrant now.

What was this episode all about?

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« Reply #2188 on: February 05, 2020, 10:11:PM »
What was this episode all about?

It was Julie going back in time explaining why she had not told the police what jeremy had done .

But one of the scenes showed her and Jeremy arriving at the flat while sheila had an episode and Jeremy leaving , not interested , and said he would call his father .

I don’t believe this happened .


Also the journalist handling the slides of sheila and Jeremy offering to sell them .

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Re: The ITV Drama
« Reply #2189 on: February 05, 2020, 10:13:PM »
Errors tonight?

Jeremy was not at the flat when sheila had her last episode ?

Jeremy had been planning the murders for over a year according to Julie’s statements ? Not 20 weeks ?

She did not just walk into the police station?

I don’t believe even the journalist said he actually looked at the pornagraphic photos ( no need to debate this again)

Anne Eaton did not knock Colin’s door and tell him jeremy had been arrested .


Some of these things are actually quite important .


But if course it’s a drama based on facts , that covers a multitude of sins .

Taff looking quite the down trodden fiery tyrant now.


Good review Jan.  it’s quite unbelievable that at the start of the drama they say this is a true story

No mention of the cheque book fraud so far showing how honest she was
Julie Mugford the main prosecution witness was guilty of numerous crimes, 13 separate cheque frauds, robbery, and drug dealing and also making a deal with a national newspaper before trial that if she could convince a jury her ex boyfriend was guilty of five murders she would receive £25,000