The ITV Drama

[notsure]

fair play notsure.youve shown how dabating should be done.when you dont agree with another member just say so and leave it at that,excellent example of how to debate

thanks sami

[Steve_uk]

What absolute rubbish and hearsay

There’s a letter that proves that’s not true. I bet she doted on him.

This is the paradox of the Jeremy Bamber case. In public she maintained the stiff upper lip to the letter, probably modelling herself on the monarch, yet in private (I'm assuming you're referring to the letter to be opened after her death in your post) she was heartfelt and remorseful for her illness which I would assume produced this anomalous behaviour. It was only when she stopped writing out personal cheques in his favour to supplement his income along with her concern for the twins' welfare (in contrast to his upbringing) that Jeremy became resolved on vengeance.

[sami]

This is the paradox of the Jeremy Bamber case. In public she maintained the stiff upper lip to the letter, probably modelling herself on the monarch, yet in private (I'm assuming you're referring to the letter to be opened after her death in your post) she was heartfelt and remorseful for her illness which I would assume produced this anomalous behaviour. It was only when she stopped writing out personal cheques in his favour to supplement his income along with her concern for the twins' welfare (in contrast to his upbringing) that Jeremy became resolved on vengeance.

yes thats a good point steve

[Adam]

Well it was common knowledge Jeremy hated June.

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Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

This would have been very influential to the jury.

[Adam]

Together with this & testimonies from Charles Marsden.

118.

James Richards, another student from Goldsmiths College who had met the appellant through Julie Mugford, heard him talk of his parents in about February 1985. He claimed they kept him short of money and that his mother was a religious freak. He said, "I fucking hate my parents".

119.

In about March 1985, in the context of a discussion about the security at the Osea Road caravan site, the appellant told his uncle Robert Boutflour, "… I could kill anybody … I could easily kill my parents".

[Roch]

This is the paradox of the Jeremy Bamber case. In public she maintained the stiff upper lip to the letter, probably modelling herself on the monarch, yet in private (I'm assuming you're referring to the letter to be opened after her death in your post) she was heartfelt and remorseful for her illness which I would assume produced this anomalous behaviour. It was only when she stopped writing out personal cheques in his favour to supplement his income along with her concern for the twins' welfare (in contrast to his upbringing) that Jeremy became resolved on vengeance.

Jeremy's plan to murder for inheritance is not very impressive. Not only does he inform a partner who he then lets go of, he also tells the same partner's mam, that his own mam was thinking of changing her will etc.

He might as well have wore a sign saying 'IT WAS ME'.

[Adam]

AE was also damaging.

82.

According to Pamela Boutflour (June Bamber's sister), Sheila Caffell was not a violent person and she had never known her to use a gun and in the opinion of the witness she would not know how to use one.

The evidence of Ann Eaton (June Bamber's niece) was that she had never seen Mrs Caffell with a gun and that she "would not know one end of the barrel of a gun to another". The witness added that Sheila Caffell was not a practical person and had very bad hand-eye co-ordination. Other witnesses called during the trial also said they had never seen her with a gun, save for an occasion when she had been photographed carrying one as part of a modelling assignment.

[Kaldin]

would not know one end of the barrel of a gun to another

That's such a silly phrase. Of course anyone would know one end of the barrel of a gun to another.

[Adam]

Obviously this was a trial run 5 months beforehand. Julie again trusted enough to be included.

138.

He admitted that the burglary at the caravan site had been motivated by greed and that by breaking a window and scattering papers around he had deliberately sought to give the impression it had been committed by somebody other than him.

[sami]

That's such a silly phrase. Of course anyone would know one end of the barrel of a gun to another.

yes even a 8yr old when given a toy rifle will hold it the right way round

[Kaldin]

This is supposed to be about the drama ...

[Kaldin]

Do people think there are enough characters in the drama? I like the standoff between Jones and Jones, but Ann Eaton is being portrayed as acting pretty much alone in her quest to accuse Jeremy.

What about Julie's friends in London? There's no sign of them.

[Roch]

I might binge watch it, to catch up. Feel like I'm missing out.

[Adam]

From the COA in case anyone claims Wilkes's book is wrong.

116.

Other evidence was given which supported the evidence of Miss Mugford that the appellant disliked his family. Mary Mugford (Julie's mother) said the appellant had often told her that he hated his adoptive mother and he described her as quite mad.

[sami]

From the COA in case anyone claims Wilkes's book is wrong.

116.

Other evidence was given which supported the evidence of Miss Mugford that the appellant disliked his family. Mary Mugford (Julie's mother) said the appellant had often told her that he hated his adoptive mother and he described her as quite mad.

good find adam