The ITV Drama

[Steve_uk]

I have seen a lot of people on social media taking interest in the case and I totally understand it is a drama but by saying it’s based on real life and factual scenes mixed with drama is confusing for the viewer . They are watching and not knowing which bits are true and which bits are based on dramatic interpretation.  Apparently Essex police who by the authors account co-operated with her fully are NOT happy about how Taff jones has been portrayed. I said before I find it interesting on how jeremy is portrayed and we know he is a different character depending on whose statements you read , but again the viewer does not know that . Some things that may seem small or insignificant that are being missed actually might be quite important in the bigger picture. To be honest I would be happier if the question of guilt was just more open , nothing more than that . Just leaving the viewer questioning things more . But so far we have a bungling police force and a pantomime Jeremy and a shrinking violet Julie , and I think it has been going more that way as things have progressed.

I would have preferred more flashbacks. There is something wrong with this drama. I can't quite put my finger on it..

[Adam]

Well it was common knowledge Jeremy hated June.

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Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book - 

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box. 

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'. 

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'. 

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that. 

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'. 

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'. 

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'. 

'He often spoke of this'. 

[Steve_uk]

Well it was common knowledge Jeremy hated June.

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Chapter 31, page 220 of Wilkes's book -

Julies mother Mary Mugford followed her daughter into the witness box.

She said 'Jeremy hated his mother & blamed her for turning Sheila mad. And he resented her for loving the twins more than him. Jeremy disliked his mother intensely & I felt he was more affectionate to me'.

'He used to call me mummy all the time. He offerred me his mothers small car which had been bought that Christmas. This was just after the shooting. A list had been drawn up and he was going to keep no momentoes, which I thought very strange. He wanted to sell everthing'.

'Jeremy resented his mother because she sent him away to boarding school. He never forgave her for that.

'Apparently she was a religious maniac'.

'A few months before the murders Jeremy had told me her mother was thinking of changing her will in favour of her grandsons, on whom she doted'.

'Jeremy never spoke to his mother & she never showed any affection towards him'.

'He often spoke of this'.

You see very little of this has come out in the drama. One small if dramatic scene only.

[Adam]

I would have preferred more flashbacks. There is something wrong with this drama. I can't quite put my finger on it..

For me it's not showing the massacre. They have spent enough of the drama just outside & inside WHF, talking about it & even talking through re constructions of some parts.

But CC didn't want any shooting.

[sami]

it he did get on with his dad so maybe he ate with him. it really makes no odds but i don’t believe he would have eaten at the pub every night. it would have beeen an expensive thing to do too. we’ll just have to disagree on this one jane

fair play notsure.youve shown how dabating should be done.when you dont agree with another member just say so and leave it at that,excellent example of how to debate

[Jane]

it he did get on with his dad so maybe he ate with him. it really makes no odds but i don’t believe he would have eaten at the pub every night. it would have beeen an expensive thing to do too. we’ll just have to disagree on this one jane

He didn't -although I think he probably disliked June more- Nevill despaired of him, although there had been some improvement. He probably didn't eat at the pub every night -I don't think cost would have come into it, he provided the pub with potatoes so I'm guessing no money changed hands- any more than he ate at WHF every night.

[Adam]

You see very little of this has come out in the drama. One small if dramatic scene only.

His motives will come out more in the trial.

A reconstruction of some of the police interviews would be good. The transcripts are online.

[Caroline]

fair play notsure.youve shown how dabating should be done.when you dont agree with another member just say so and leave it at that,excellent example of how to debate

Yes, people could learn a lot from Notsure! That's FORSURE! 

[Adam]

A reconstruction of the police interviews would be very damaging.

Providing it stuck to the transcripts no one could complain. 

[David1819]

For me it's not showing the massacre. They have spent enough of the drama just outside & inside WHF, talking about it & even talking through re constructions of some parts.

But CC didn't want any shooting.

I think the show wants to leave much to the imagination and questions unanswered. That's the impression I am getting anyway. That's the kind of stuff that gets people wanting to watch the next episode.

[sami]

CONGRATULATIONS to caroline her thread has passed 2000 replies.and still a few episodes to go.well done caroline

[Steve_uk]

For me it's not showing the massacre. They have spent enough of the drama just outside & inside WHF, talking about it & even talking through re constructions of some parts.

But CC didn't want any shooting.

I think they could have developed the characters more, going into their various backgrounds. I'm not a fan of gratuitous violence and often this kind of thing is better left to the viewer's imagination anyway. I haven't seen all episodes so I'll reserve final judgement for two weeks.

[Steve_uk]

He didn't -although I think he probably disliked June more- Nevill despaired of him, although there had been some improvement. He probably didn't eat at the pub every night -I don't think cost would have come into it, he provided the pub with potatoes so I'm guessing no money changed hands- any more than he ate at WHF every night.

Sometimes it's an ordeal facing people after a hard day's work, plus given his nickname of Stinko I would imagine the first thing he'd wish to do is get into the shower.

[Kaldin]

I would have preferred more flashbacks. There is something wrong with this drama. I can't quite put my finger on it..

Me too. I'd like to see more of Sheila, Nevill, and June. We did see a fair bit of the twins early on, but barely anything of Nevill and June. Cressida Bonas gave a fine performance as Sheila, but it was very short.

[Jan]

For me it's not showing the massacre. They have spent enough of the drama just outside & inside WHF, talking about it & even talking through re constructions of some parts.

But CC didn't want any shooting.

Well considering this forum  and the legal profession has been debating exactly what happened in the house for years without conclusion then I don’t see how they could ?

And I can’t quite understand where cc was coming from .