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« Reply #1590 on: January 17, 2020, 09:43:PM »
Kaldin Sheila's bed did not look like she had slept in it just a slight indentation on the pillow I think she had laid down at some stage

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« Reply #1591 on: January 17, 2020, 09:45:PM »
Of course I do - my brother had schizophrenia.
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« Reply #1593 on: January 17, 2020, 09:49:PM »
sorry to hear that caroline

Thanks Sami - awful condition.
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« Reply #1594 on: January 17, 2020, 09:53:PM »
Thanks Sami - awful condition.
so sorry Caroline, I can remember you saying Caroline you knew all about the drugs as well x

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« Reply #1595 on: January 17, 2020, 09:55:PM »
sami it must be really hard when a family member suffers from schizophrenia :( x

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« Reply #1596 on: January 17, 2020, 09:59:PM »
e findings reported by the Hodgins group are consistent with evidence suggesting that violence among adults with schizophrenia may follow at least two distinct pathways: one associated with premorbid conditions, including antisocial conduct, and another associated with the acute psychopathology of schizophrenia. That evidence came from a reanalysis of data from the CATIE [64]. The prevalence of violence was higher among patients with a history of childhood conduct problems than among those without this history (28.2% versus 14.6%; ). In the conduct-problems group, violence was associated with current substance use at levels below diagnostic criteria. Positive psychotic symptoms were linked to violence only in the group without conduct problems. Adherence with antipsychotic medications was associated with significantly reduced violence only in the group without a history of conduct problems. In the conduct problems group, violence remained higher and did not significantly differ between patients who were adherent with medications and those who were not [64].

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« Reply #1597 on: January 17, 2020, 10:01:PM »
Sorry for your situation as well Caroline as my mothers employer had a daughter who suffered as well and he was attacked several times . It was very sad and she had to be removed from the family home in the end .

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« Reply #1598 on: January 17, 2020, 10:03:PM »
Jan that is so sad and very hard on family members :( x

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« Reply #1599 on: January 17, 2020, 10:17:PM »
Sorry for your situation as well Caroline as my mothers employer had a daughter who suffered as well and he was attacked several times . It was very sad and she had to be removed from the family home in the end .

Thanks. It certainly isn't easy for anyone. and made worse because there is still stigma associated with it - but there for the grace of god (as they say).
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« Reply #1600 on: January 17, 2020, 10:24:PM »
e findings reported by the Hodgins group are consistent with evidence suggesting that violence among adults with schizophrenia may follow at least two distinct pathways: one associated with premorbid conditions, including antisocial conduct, and another associated with the acute psychopathology of schizophrenia. That evidence came from a reanalysis of data from the CATIE [64]. The prevalence of violence was higher among patients with a history of childhood conduct problems than among those without this history (28.2% versus 14.6%; ). In the conduct-problems group, violence was associated with current substance use at levels below diagnostic criteria. Positive psychotic symptoms were linked to violence only in the group without conduct problems. Adherence with antipsychotic medications was associated with significantly reduced violence only in the group without a history of conduct problems. In the conduct problems group, violence remained higher and did not significantly differ between patients who were adherent with medications and those who were not [64].

The conduct problems is obviously separate to the schizophrenia and Sheila didn't have childhood conduct problems. However, I see no one has been able to find any case of a psychotic attack/murder where the attacker was taking their medication? I'm sure there must be one (at least) but the fact that it's difficult to find examples, proves how rare it is.
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« Reply #1601 on: January 17, 2020, 10:41:PM »
You've managed to totally misconstrue just about everything. It was Brett Collins who approached Michael Fielder in the first place as they had had previous contact when Jeremy was arrested on the Osea Road burglary charge. They wanted yet more cash for their forthcoming holiday in the South of France.

As for Colin's interest in the photographs it's possible he wished to destroy the ones made by the London photographer, which were of a pornographic nature. He was horrified when he discovered Jeremy had been trying to flog them. The others of Sheila as a 17 year-old may have been a mistake, though given Colin's artistic bent one should give him a little licence. He's certainly not the dirty old man in a mac personage you are at pains to depict.
  It was Jeremy who informed Colin of the other photos. It is obvious from Colin's statements  that he trusted Jeremy hence the lack of urgency in collecting the remaining slides. In fact Colin went on holiday after taking the photos and showed no urgency in arranging to collect the remaining slides. The actual events and statements of the time show that Colin had no concerns about Jeremy's plans. His claims since then that he was concerned are betrayed by his actions.
   You also, by inference, believe that having had a conversation with Colin regarding the collection of pornographic pictures, in which Colin made no immediate arrangement to do so, that Jeremy then got Brett to arrange a meeting with a reporter from the Sun, who had been busy smearing him, in order to sell the, previously unknown to Colin, pictures. Jeremy, being smeared and accused with all sorts of lurid tabloid tales about his sexuality and drugs, tried to sell nude pictures to the worst offenders and it didn't occur to him that his selling of the pictures would be a bigger story than the pictures. And you believe that this is exactly what occurred.
    Neglecting to take any of the photos with him to the meeting supposedly set up for this very purpose isn't a detail that troubles you either. It is pretty apparent that those who believe this lurid tale aren't troubled by detail much at all in fact. The descriptions given by Fielder are agreed by all to be fabricated by him.
    It's almost as if Fielder just wanted to write a scandalous tale of murder, sex and drugs, much like the rest of his known output, and if necessary make it up. You believe because you want to, not because there is a solid case for doing so.
   

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« Reply #1602 on: January 17, 2020, 10:51:PM »
Found one case where a woman was on controllled medication and did kill .

It is very rare

But does happen .

But risk heightened with taking of  illegal drugs and antidepressants.according to research.

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« Reply #1603 on: January 17, 2020, 11:01:PM »
  It was Jeremy who informed Colin of the other photos. It is obvious from Colin's statements  that he trusted Jeremy hence the lack of urgency in collecting the remaining slides. In fact Colin went on holiday after taking the photos and showed no urgency in arranging to collect the remaining slides. The actual events and statements of the time show that Colin had no concerns about Jeremy's plans. His claims since then that he was concerned are betrayed by his actions.
   You also, by inference, believe that having had a conversation with Colin regarding the collection of pornographic pictures, in which Colin made no immediate arrangement to do so, that Jeremy then got Brett to arrange a meeting with a reporter from the Sun, who had been busy smearing him, in order to sell the, previously unknown to Colin, pictures. Jeremy, being smeared and accused with all sorts of lurid tabloid tales about his sexuality and drugs, tried to sell nude pictures to the worst offenders and it didn't occur to him that his selling of the pictures would be a bigger story than the pictures. And you believe that this is exactly what occurred.
    Neglecting to take any of the photos with him to the meeting supposedly set up for this very purpose isn't a detail that troubles you either. It is pretty apparent that those who believe this lurid tale aren't troubled by detail much at all in fact. The descriptions given by Fielder are agreed by all to be fabricated by him.
    It's almost as if Fielder just wanted to write a scandalous tale of murder, sex and drugs, much like the rest of his known output, and if necessary make it up. You believe because you want to, not because there is a solid case for doing so.
   

He described the photographs to both Colin and Fielder in exactly the same way. If he wanted to have a story written about himself, there was no reason for the pictures to be mentioned. He tried to sell then - no doubts.
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« Reply #1604 on: January 17, 2020, 11:02:PM »
Found one case where a woman was on controllled medication and did kill .

It is very rare

But does happen .

But risk heightened with taking of  illegal drugs and antidepressants.according to research.

Like I said, I'm sure it does happen - but it is VERY RARE. Can you post a link to the case?
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