The ITV Drama

[Caroline]

What date was photo scandal paper published? do you know"

It's on the forum somewhere.

[Caroline]

It's on the forum somewhere.

Tuesday 17th September

[gringo]

    Of note also, but overlooked, is the question of Colin's self appointment as guardian of the nude photos of his now dead ex wife. His relationship with Sheila was over. From Colin's statements we discover that the existence of some of the photos were unknown to Colin. The others were definitely known to Colin because he took them when himself when Sheila was 17. We don't whose suggestion it was that Colin should take nude photos of the 17 year old Sheila but I think we could all guess correctly.
    Anyway Jeremy agreed that Colin could take the photos in order to destroy them himself. Jeremy informed Colin that there were other slides and that Colin could arrange to collect those also in order to destroy them. That Jeremy informed Colin of the existence of the photos, agreed that Colin could collect them at some later date of his arranging and gave him the slides that were at Sheila's flat undermines somewhat the claim that days later Jeremy offered them to Fielder. Colin only knew of their existence because Jeremy told him.
    It makes no sense that Jeremy would inform Colin of their existence only to offer to sell them to the Sun days later. Colin at this point still believed that Sheila was responsible and believed the relatives were plotting against him. This is all from Colin's statements.
   The meeting with Fielder according to Bamber was set up by Collins. His version is that he wanted the opportunity to put his side of the story because of all the lurid and sensational headlines. He claims that Fielder only wanted to ask about photos of Sheila.
    According to Fielder, Bamber set up the meeting and offered him nude photos of Sheila. Fielder has never seen the photos nor did Bamber bring any of the pictures that he allegedly set up the meeting for. So Fielder claims that Bamber set up a meeting to offer to sell him nude pictures of his now dead sister but neglected to bring even one example. Fielder then goes on to describe the photos that he hasn't seen and makes claims in that article about sex toys that are demonstrably false. This is not arguable either. Fielder has a track record of making false and lurid allegations. No tape recording, no pictures, just his word that Bamber set up a meeting to sell photos but brought none.
    As it stands, it seems that the only people who wanted the nude photos were Colin and Fielder.
    Doesn't pass the laugh test.
   
   

[David1819]

According to Collins September 24th Statement. The photo scandal was published on September 17th.

According to Fielder, they published the article the next day after Jeremy and Brett tried to sell them to him. So that would be the 16th of September.

Jeremy Bamber was not in the country around this time. He left for France on the 14th of September.

 

[Steve_uk]

    Of note also, but overlooked, is the question of Colin's self appointment as guardian of the nude photos of his now dead ex wife. His relationship with Sheila was over. From Colin's statements we discover that the existence of some of the photos were unknown to Colin. The others were definitely known to Colin because he took them when himself when Sheila was 17. We don't whose suggestion it was that Colin should take nude photos of the 17 year old Sheila but I think we could all guess correctly.
    Anyway Jeremy agreed that Colin could take the photos in order to destroy them himself. Jeremy informed Colin that there were other slides and that Colin could arrange to collect those also in order to destroy them. That Jeremy informed Colin of the existence of the photos, agreed that Colin could collect them at some later date of his arranging and gave him the slides that were at Sheila's flat undermines somewhat the claim that days later Jeremy offered them to Fielder. Colin only knew of their existence because Jeremy told him.
    It makes no sense that Jeremy would inform Colin of their existence only to offer to sell them to the Sun days later. Colin at this point still believed that Sheila was responsible and believed the relatives were plotting against him. This is all from Colin's statements.
   The meeting with Fielder according to Bamber was set up by Collins. His version is that he wanted the opportunity to put his side of the story because of all the lurid and sensational headlines. He claims that Fielder only wanted to ask about photos of Sheila.
    According to Fielder, Bamber set up the meeting and offered him nude photos of Sheila. Fielder has never seen the photos nor did Bamber bring any of the pictures that he allegedly set up the meeting for. So Fielder claims that Bamber set up a meeting to offer to sell him nude pictures of his now dead sister but neglected to bring even one example. Fielder then goes on to describe the photos that he hasn't seen and makes claims in that article about sex toys that are demonstrably false. This is not arguable either. Fielder has a track record of making false and lurid allegations. No tape recording, no pictures, just his word that Bamber set up a meeting to sell photos but brought none.
    As it stands, it seems that the only people who wanted the nude photos were Colin and Fielder.
    Doesn't pass the laugh test.
   
   

You've managed to totally misconstrue just about everything. It was Brett Collins who approached Michael Fielder in the first place as they had had previous contact when Jeremy was arrested on the Osea Road burglary charge. They wanted yet more cash for their forthcoming holiday in the South of France.

As for Colin's interest in the photographs it's possible he wished to destroy the ones made by the London photographer, which were of a pornographic nature. He was horrified when he discovered Jeremy had been trying to flog them. The others of Sheila as a 17 year-old may have been a mistake, though given Colin's artistic bent one should give him a little licence. He's certainly not the dirty old man in a mac personage you are at pains to depict.

[lookout]

There's reference to the photo's by the girl herself, Sheila. In her " scribblings " she mentions the sun newspaper and police.
What you could glean from that is that maybe Sheila had once tried to sell them to make a few bob and because the subject came up again not long later, Jeremy was dragged through the mud because of it.

[Steve_uk]

According to Collins September 24th Statement. The photo scandal was published on September 17th.

According to Fielder, they published the article the next day after Jeremy and Brett tried to sell them to him. So that would be the 16th of September.

Jeremy Bamber was not in the country around this time. He left for France on the 14th of September.

 

This is wrong as well. The pub meeting with Fielder was Monday 16 September, the story about Jeremy and the photographs was run the following day with a follow-up article in the Evening Standard, after which Jeremy and Brett departed for France.

[Steve_uk]

There's reference to the photo's by the girl herself, Sheila. In her " scribblings " she mentions the sun newspaper and police.
What you could glean from that is that maybe Sheila had once tried to sell them to make a few bob and because the subject came up again not long later, Jeremy was dragged through the mud because of it.

No Sheila was horrified at the photographs which is why she had them in her possession the first place. Colin realized she would not have liked them to have seen the light of day.

[sami]

nice one steve you certainly sorted that lot out

[Steve_uk]

nice one steve you certainly sorted that lot out

They'll be back.

[lookout]

No Sheila was horrified at the photographs which is why she had them in her possession the first place. Colin realized she would not have liked them to have seen the light of day.

June could have seen them and had a fit, we don't know.Some were at WHF.

[Caroline]

    Of note also, but overlooked, is the question of Colin's self appointment as guardian of the nude photos of his now dead ex wife. His relationship with Sheila was over. From Colin's statements we discover that the existence of some of the photos were unknown to Colin. The others were definitely known to Colin because he took them when himself when Sheila was 17. We don't whose suggestion it was that Colin should take nude photos of the 17 year old Sheila but I think we could all guess correctly.
    Anyway Jeremy agreed that Colin could take the photos in order to destroy them himself. Jeremy informed Colin that there were other slides and that Colin could arrange to collect those also in order to destroy them. That Jeremy informed Colin of the existence of the photos, agreed that Colin could collect them at some later date of his arranging and gave him the slides that were at Sheila's flat undermines somewhat the claim that days later Jeremy offered them to Fielder. Colin only knew of their existence because Jeremy told him.
    It makes no sense that Jeremy would inform Colin of their existence only to offer to sell them to the Sun days later. Colin at this point still believed that Sheila was responsible and believed the relatives were plotting against him. This is all from Colin's statements.
   The meeting with Fielder according to Bamber was set up by Collins. His version is that he wanted the opportunity to put his side of the story because of all the lurid and sensational headlines. He claims that Fielder only wanted to ask about photos of Sheila.
    According to Fielder, Bamber set up the meeting and offered him nude photos of Sheila. Fielder has never seen the photos nor did Bamber bring any of the pictures that he allegedly set up the meeting for. So Fielder claims that Bamber set up a meeting to offer to sell him nude pictures of his now dead sister but neglected to bring even one example. Fielder then goes on to describe the photos that he hasn't seen and makes claims in that article about sex toys that are demonstrably false. This is not arguable either. Fielder has a track record of making false and lurid allegations. No tape recording, no pictures, just his word that Bamber set up a meeting to sell photos but brought none.
    As it stands, it seems that the only people who wanted the nude photos were Colin and Fielder.
    Doesn't pass the laugh test.
   
   

Yes we do know who's idea it was to take the photo's, it was Colin's because he didn't want to leave them with Jeremy. He told Jeremy to get them together and he would call for them. He called Jeremy early the following morning but someone claiming to be a workman answered - Jeremy wasn't there. Colin called round, picked up the twins toys and some letters belonging to Sheila. Next thing he heard about the photographs was from Fielders article where the words 'you can see everything right down to the last detail' rang in his ears!

[Steve_uk]

June could have seen them and had a fit, we don't know.Some were at WHF.

June kept them in the bureau at White House Farm.

[Caroline]

There's reference to the photo's by the girl herself, Sheila. In her " scribblings " she mentions the sun newspaper and police.
What you could glean from that is that maybe Sheila had once tried to sell them to make a few bob and because the subject came up again not long later, Jeremy was dragged through the mud because of it.

Those scribbling have never been authenticated.

[Steve_uk]

Yes we do know who's idea it was to take the photo's, it was Colin's because he didn't want to leave them with Jeremy. He told Jeremy to get them together and he would call for them. He called Jeremy early the following morning but someone claiming to be a workman answered - Jeremy wasn't there. Colin called round, picked up the twins toys and some letters belonging to Sheila. Next thing he heard about the photographs was from Fielders article where the words 'you can see everything right down to the last detail' rang in his ears!

I think he was beginning to have suspicions about Jeremy at this stage. He wrote to him expressing his dismay at the attempt to sell them to the highest bidder, then felt under threat and departed London to stay with friends in Somerset.