The ITV Drama

[Kaldin]

I totally agree, Lookout. If you or I had been on that jury, for differing reasons, we'd still be sitting there. Despite what judges say, some jurors have minds of their own.

Re Jeremy as "lamb to the slaughter", I rather think it was he who did the leading. He's more than partly responsible for where he is now. A bit more sorrow and humility -had he felt any- may have seen him a free man.

Are you saying that the other evidence counted for nothing, and that he was convicted because of his manner?

[Jan]

to quote drake," on the evidence of the silencer alone you may find Bamber guilty"

Thanks . That’s what I was going to say . It was a very important factor.

[sami]

Thanks . That’s what I was going to say . It was a very important factor.

lets get one thing clear the judge did not order them to find jb guilty as most would like to think and no he didnt make their minds up for them. judges are given a certain amount of leyway in a case where he may help the jury come to a verdict ,saying you MAY and saying YOU WILL.are two different things

[ILB]

They didn't have to be looking for it even. It should have been just simply discovered. Policing in the UK in reference to search teams may not have been advanced as today. But I can't imagine it was so lacklustre that it did not discover the moderator (silencer) as part of routine inquiry/search

[ILB]

Many people who are convinced of Jeremy Bambers guilt will simply claim in reply to this that they were just hanging onto every word he said. No no no, that is not how a crime scene is handled. Bamber was a member of the public. He was never dictating the police agenda

[Caroline]

lets get one thing clear the judge did not order them to find jb guilty as most would like to think and no he didnt make their minds up for them. judges are given a certain amount of leyway in a case where he may help the jury come to a verdict ,saying you MAY and saying YOU WILL.are two different things

Of course.

[sami]

everyones having the blame put on them the police,the judge,the jury.everone but jb

[Jan]

Many people who are convinced of Jeremy Bambers guilt will simply claim in reply to this that they were just hanging onto every word he said. No no no, that is not how a crime scene is handled. Bamber was a member of the public. He was never dictating the police agenda

Thank you for that . I totally agree that his alleged influence over the police has been exaggerated. He had no way of knowing that they would not call back up immediately and enter the property and establish a time of death . Especially if they allegedly heard and saw nothing ? And he begged them to go in and save his family .

[Caroline]

everyones having the blame put on them the police,the judge,the jury.everone but jb

Same as it ever was 

[sami]

Thank you for that . I totally agree that his alleged influence over the police has been exaggerated. He had no way of knowing that they would not call back up immediately and enter the property and establish a time of death . Especially if they allegedly heard and saw nothing ? And he begged them to go in and save his family .

if he was so desperate for them to go in than he should have kept his mouth shut,to say shes mad and shes fired every gun in the house is hardy going to make police eager to enter until they have no other choice.

[guest7363]

if he was so desperate for them to go in than he should have kept his mouth shut,to say shes mad and shes fired every gun in the house is hardy going to make police eager to enter until they have no other choice.

Quite right Sami, he set his sister up, I would have said the opposite for fear her getting shot.

[guest7363]

Quite right Sami, he set his sister up, I would have said the opposite for fear her getting shot.

Or, “don’t fetch the bloody firearms team, let me go and talk to her first, please let me try and talk to her and my parents”.  Instead of hiding behind Bewes then laughing after that Bewes shit himself, the yellow back coward.

[Jane]

if he was so desperate for them to go in than he should have kept his mouth shut,to say shes mad and shes fired every gun in the house is hardy going to make police eager to enter until they have no other choice.

Absolutely, Sami. I don't care what's said about what police are told in training, when they're faced with the real thing, ie, a potential and imminent threat to their own lives, they're not going to be in a hurry to act if there's a possible alternative.

[David1819]

I cannot for the life of me fathom to this day, And I didn't take any interest in the case until I started to converse with Bamber in early 1994 when I was serving time and on the same wing at long lartin prison. Where I was serving 9 and half years imprisonment. The fact that a relative simply walked into a scullery and "discovered a silencer" that no member of Essex police couldn't, even if they just did a cursory glance...

Do you recall any of the conversations you had with Jeremy?

[Jane]

Or, “don’t fetch the bloody firearms team, let me go and talk to her first, please let me try and talk to her and my parents”.  Instead of hiding behind Bewes then laughing after that Bewes shit himself, the yellow back coward.

Yes, where was all that love and compassion for his beautiful sister?