The ITV Drama

[Jan]

You mean June's mother, Mabel Speakman. Granny Bamber was Nevill's mother, who came to live at White House Farm for a brief period in 1981.

Sorry yes stand corrected Mabel speakman because he would have inherited because of his parents death .

[Steve_uk]

Which will was he named in ? and then the solicitor was called in to change the will before the verdict . ? Sorry I am rusty as have been away from the forum .

The news of the tragedy was kept from Mabel Speakman for several days, the relatives believing the shock of learning of five deaths might kill her. Once Mabel Speakman, who at this stage in her life was confined to bed, learned of the truth, she wished to change her will leaving everything to her last surviving daughter, Pamela Boutflour. A solicitor was called and the will was amended, I presume so that Jeremy Bamber would not inherit his mother's portion by default.

[lookout]

Not forgetting that Granny Speakman was made to understand that they'd all perished before she put pen to paper on the Will.

[Kaldin]

Which will was he named in ? and then the solicitor was called in to change the will before the verdict . ? Sorry I am rusty as have been away from the forum .

I don't think that Jeremy was named in Mabel's Will, but if she had not changed it he would have inherited June's share (I think).

[Jan]

I don't think that Jeremy was named in Mabel's Will, but if she had not changed it he would have inherited June's share (I think).

Yes my error .i did correct myself in a later post .

[maggie]

Not at all: I have analysed Jeremy Bamber's interactions with his adopted relatives since birth, as well as studying his acquaintances at the Frog and Beans and Julie's schoolfriends during the almost two years of his association with her.

Have you had any experience of adoption or of adoptees?  If not how can you have much idea of the loneliness and lack of belonging such a child might feel?

[Steve_uk]

Have you had any experience of adoption or of adoptees?  If not how can you have much idea of the loneliness and lack of belonging such a child might feel?

I'm not adopted Maggie but I can read books and make my own judgements. It's pretty clear to me that Jeremy was out of his depth at Gresham's and regarded it mentally as a further banishment after he had left his birth mother and been adopted by Nevill and June. His loneliness and lack of belonging were heightened the way his parents treated Suzette, which if there is any key to the Bamber enigma this is it. He blamed them for rejecting her, for outright threatening to disinherit him should the relationship continue, and castigated them in his mind for her miscarriages, which he believed were brought about by the stress she suffered as a result of this ostracism.

[guest7363]

They certainly go for CAL in the blog, if only she had said that Bamber was innocent?  I don’t know what she would have got if she had openly said he was guilty, credit due to CAL, she lets the reader decide yet they still have their claws into her.

The drama is apparently based on the rights to a book by Carol Ann Lee, who, with a vested interest in making money from misery, repeated lies in her book, refusing to accept the evidence, or even write about it. Using internet gossip forums as a source for research of a ‘factual’ book is farcical and is extremely poor practice

[lookout]

Colin's input too RJ.

[guest7363]

Colin's input too RJ.

I wish they were all honest like you Lookout, the CT would get more respect.  You have to admit, there’s stuff in there that’s false, I’ve nothing about campaigning, so long as it’s done properly.

[Caroline]

They certainly go for CAL in the blog, if only she had said that Bamber was innocent?  I don’t know what she would have got if she had openly said he was guilty, credit due to CAL, she lets the reader decide yet they still have their claws into her.

The drama is apparently based on the rights to a book by Carol Ann Lee, who, with a vested interest in making money from misery, repeated lies in her book, refusing to accept the evidence, or even write about it. Using internet gossip forums as a source for research of a ‘factual’ book is farcical and is extremely poor practice

Her book is well researched! Several times I have pointed out that they had stuff wrong on their website. They once wrote that Sheila's finger prints were on the bullet cases - BS! Don't think it's on there now?

[Jan]

They certainly go for CAL in the blog, if only she had said that Bamber was innocent?  I don’t know what she would have got if she had openly said he was guilty, credit due to CAL, she lets the reader decide yet they still have their claws into her.

The drama is apparently based on the rights to a book by Carol Ann Lee, who, with a vested interest in making money from misery, repeated lies in her book, refusing to accept the evidence, or even write about it. Using internet gossip forums as a source for research of a ‘factual’ book is farcical and is extremely poor practice

 
I have to agree with other posts . Nearly every author and tv programme would be studying the case for money . But that post  is a bit strong . Can’t comment if it’s true because I have to admit I only skimmed read the book as I found it a bit , dare I say it , boring .

But I do believe she listed her references so the statement seems unfair .

[guest7363]

Her book is well researched! Several times I have pointed out that they had stuff wrong on their website. They once wrote that Sheila's finger prints were on the bullet cases - BS! Don't think it's on there now?

Its well documented he hated his parents, Brett Collins even testifies to this, yet they portray his love for them as butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth. Sites like that should be shut down if they can’t give proven facts!  Do they mention Brett Collins on the site much Caroline, or is he pushed in the background?

[Jan]

Its well documented he hated his parents, Brett Collins even testifies to this, yet they portray his love for them as butter wouldn’t melt in his mouth. Sites like that should be shut down if they can’t give proven facts!  Do they mention Brett Collins on the site much Caroline, or is he pushed in the background?

I just read Bretts statement . He said Jeremy got the watches in Australia not New Zealand . He also said he did not think jeremy was capable of murder . He did not have the guts . He said his relationship with his father wa not close , more like a business arrangement and he thought his mother was a bit strange for giving a lot of money away to the church when the farm needed  the money .

So not quite Hating his parents . Just not close .

[guest7363]

 
I have to agree with other posts . Nearly every author and tv programme would be studying the case for money . But that post  is a bit strong . Can’t comment if it’s true because I have to admit I only skimmed read the book as I found it a bit , dare I say it , boring .

But I do believe she listed her references so the statement seems unfair .

Thanks Jan for your honest opinion, like I say, I’ve nothing whatsoever against campaigning, it back fires when people realise it’s false, they should stick to truth.  They wanted some input in the series and they were rebuffed and this is their revenge.  I don’t think any tv production company would run a series and hope to make a loss, it’s sad that it’s these type of programmes are what viewers want, it’s shows this is the case because an American channel have bought it, there’s a huge market for true crime stories, I think it stems from a fear of crime, a search for motifs that will  challenges the brain and a feeling for the victims.  We’re all detectives aren’t we 👍