The ITV Drama

[ILB]

You've clearly got different information than I. According to Colin, she sat in the car and barely a word passed between them on the entire journey. I believe you've just repeated what I've already said re her meds.

not the point I was making, if she was as heavily medicated and " out of it " as it's claimed to be. She wouldn't have, at least on the probability scale not wanted to make the journey, or have contact with anyone. She would have withdrew into herself...

[Jane]

not the point I was making, if she was as heavily medicated and " out of it " as it's claimed to be. She wouldn't have, at least on the probability scale not wanted to make the journey, or have contact with anyone. She would have withdrew into herself...

If she was as out of it as you claim her to be, she'd have been led to the car without argument or resistance. Strangely, I don't think she did want to go to the farm. She preferred to be in London. Her parents, quite naturally, wanted to see the boys before Colin took them on holiday.

[ILB]

If she was as out of it as you claim her to be, she'd have been led to the car without argument or resistance. Strangely, I don't think she did want to go to the farm. She preferred to be in London. Her parents, quite naturally, wanted to see the boys before Colin took them on holiday.

do not cross words, your are claiming that Shelia couldn't commit the crime because she was too " out of it and lethargic" and in the next breath you are saying she had energy to travel to Essex etc, be around people for a family break...so which one is it??

[lookout]

Sheila had attended two parties before she went to stay at WHF !

[Caroline]

not the point I was making, if she was as heavily medicated and " out of it " as it's claimed to be. She wouldn't have, at least on the probability scale not wanted to make the journey, or have contact with anyone. She would have withdrew into herself...

According to Colin, June, Pam several others and Jeremy himself, she was distant and not willing or able to engage in much conversation - she hardly spoke a word on the journey to WHF.

[lookout]

Not someone with severe depression would undertake.

[Caroline]

Oh I see, this is some kind of game.

Is it? Lookout (and the CT) maintains that the medical records were not released - however, as you yourself have pointed out, Sheila's illness was discussed at trial.

[Caroline]

Ferguson hadn't been aware of everything that had gone on with Sheila. He knew nothing of the note which was found inside the Bible--" Love one Another " and its reference about the mass killings in Guyana or the fact that Sheila would lose the children 100% to Colin,

The note inside the bible didn't mention anything of the sort. The note was given back to the family along with the bible. It said .....


‘Love one another. A determination always to act in the others’ best interest, whether we feel good or not, whether we like them or not. It is an act of will, commandment to obey. Be determined to be loving and kind to every person you meet whether you like them or not. Lord Jesus in Thy mercy, teach me to love for Thy name’s sake, help me to live and speak as a Christian, no matter what others may think.’

Source - Lee, Carol Ann. The Murders at White House Farm: Jeremy Bamber and the killing of his family. The definitive investigation. (p. 408).

The reason none of that was mentioned is because it's rubbish!

[Caroline]

Sheila had attended two parties before she went to stay at WHF !

OMG! You know every well that the party the previous weekend was at Colin's house - she was withdrawn and had to be taken home!

[Caroline]

do not cross words, your are claiming that Shelia couldn't commit the crime because she was too " out of it and lethargic" and in the next breath you are saying she had energy to travel to Essex etc, be around people for a family break...so which one is it??

She was driven there by Colin!

[Jane]

do not cross words, your are claiming that Shelia couldn't commit the crime because she was too " out of it and lethargic" and in the next breath you are saying she had energy to travel to Essex etc, be around people for a family break...so which one is it??

She wasn't required to do more than sit in a car. Colin would have packed for the boy's.sitting in a car takes no more energy than breathing. Actually I never claimed she had the energy to travel. I said she travelled. It's not a question of either/or. It's both.

[Jane]

OMG! You know every well that the party the previous weekend was at Colin's house - she was withdrawn and had to be taken home!

And we get accused of twisting things. Supporters twist the facts out of recognition!!!

[Kaldin]

I watched a video where Barbara Wilson said she heard raised voices(or something like that) when she was on the phone to Nevill. Does that not support the argument that there was indeed some kind of disagreement going on?

I also read somewhere that Sheila was a bit upset about her haircut. Did she have her hair cut when she was in Essex?

I hope nobody asks me for links, but I can probably find them if I need to.

[Jane]

Sheila had attended two parties before she went to stay at WHF !

How many times must you be told? How many witnesses to her lethargy will it take for you to take on board that whilst she may have been AT the party, she most definitely WASN'T partying.

[Jane]

Not someone with severe depression would undertake.

Why is that Lookout? Are you saying that someone with "severe depression" would kick and scream, chain themselves to furniture, throw things to prevent being taken somewhere. Are you suggesting that someone in the grip of "severe depression" has the mental capacity to make decisions? Well, that's not the sort of "severe depression" I have understanding of.  Rather, what I know of it, it involves NO resistance of ANY description. All mental energy is sapped. There's no reaction to anything.

Forgive the observation, but I'd have expected more in depth knowledge and clearer understanding from someone who claims to have once nursed the mentally ill.