The ITV Drama

[Caroline]

I've only read snippets of the book but not overall as yet. No I haven't seen the trailer .
Is the author a detective too ?

You're acting like there was never an investigation, a trial and a conviction - how would any of that lead to the drama being 'open'? It was detectives that ran the investigation that lead to the conviction!

Are you a detective?

[lookout]

You're acting like there was never an investigation, a trial and a conviction - how would any of that lead to the drama being 'open'? It was detectives that ran the investigation that lead to the conviction!

Are you a detective?

I'm talking about the author and asked if she too was a detective.

Anyone can write a book after the event---the script/everything is already there but the truth is only as accurate as those who relayed it to her ? We don't know. We weren't there.We can only take a person's word for it when reading a book.

[lookout]

How many wrote books about Sutcliffe ? Dozens---and all different. Even the JB books are all different.

[Jane]

I'm talking about the author and asked if she too was a detective.

Anyone can write a book after the event---the script/everything is already there but the truth is only as accurate as those who relayed it to her ? We don't know. We weren't there.We can only take a person's word for it when reading a book.

I doubt that she relied simply on what she was told. People tend, if they're truthful, to call it as they see it. Rarely do people experience the same thing. As you so rightly say, anyone can write a book after the event. It's the best way to write one. If they wrote it before the event it would be a prophesy

It's possible that the best crime writers become good at detecting. Patricia Cornwall spent a lot of time with a pathologist watching autopsies. Agatha Christie had an excellent knowledge of poisons. It may not be as easy as you think if the author wishes their work to be taken seriously.

[Caroline]

I'm talking about the author and asked if she too was a detective.

Anyone can write a book after the event---the script/everything is already there but the truth is only as accurate as those who relayed it to her ? We don't know. We weren't there.We can only take a person's word for it when reading a book.

Yes and I treated the question as it should be treated!

Anyone can write a book? Crack on then! See if you manage to interest a TV network in an innocent Jeremy Bamber - Good luck!

[Caroline]

How many wrote books about Sutcliffe ? Dozens---and all different. Even the JB books are all different.

All different? Does he manage to escape on a magic carpet in any of them? Does anyone find him innocent - is the verdict LEFT OPEN? 

[Caroline]

I doubt that she relied simply on what she was told. People tend, if they're truthful, to call it as they see it. Rarely do people experience the same thing. As you so rightly say, anyone can write a book after the event. It's the best way to write one. If they wrote it before the event it would be a prophesy

Might help if Lookout had read the book before commenting. Lots of references and interviews with key players - she had access to more than we have here.

[Jane]

Might help if Lookout had read the book before commenting. Lots of references and interviews with key players - she had access to more than we have here.

"Anyone can write a book after the event"? I think we can accept that this statement isn't entirely accurate, but it could be that it was thrown in as a way of undermining it's authenticity?

[Caroline]

"Anyone can write a book after the event"? I think we can accept that this statement isn't entirely accurate, but it could be that it was thrown in as a way of undermining it's authenticity?

I don't think CAL has anything to worry about there 

[lookout]

Sheila's mental health was never discussed at length at the trial. Until we learn what the notes contained I don't call this a fair system/trial.

David Challen whose mother was imprisoned for killing her husband said to me today, I quote " Quite important to recognise mental health under diminished responsibility if we're to learn anything ", unquote.

So, is there anywhere in CAL's book where she's studied mental health ?

In Sally's case where she'd spent 9 years in prison for murder her appeal brought about a case of manslaughter after it had been found that she'd been suffering mental health at the time of the murder in 2010. Sally had been released this year after the CoA quashed her appeal in light of new evidence re. her mental health.
 Psychological abuse or as Colin would have put it--a fkd-up brain which wasn't going to let happen to his children as he'd blamed June for the way Sheila was.

I wish Sally and her sons a happy and peaceful Christmas.x

[Jane]

Sheila's mental health was never discussed at length at the trial. Until we learn what the notes contained I don't call this a fair system/trial.

David Challen whose mother was imprisoned for killing her husband said to me today, I quote " Quite important to recognise mental health under diminished responsibility if we're to learn anything ", unquote.

So, is there anywhere in CAL's book where she's studied mental health ?

In Sally's case where she'd spent 9 years in prison for murder her appeal brought about a case of manslaughter after it had been found that she'd been suffering mental health at the time of the murder in 2010. Sally had been released this year after the CoA quashed her appeal in light of new evidence re. her mental health.
 Psychological abuse or as Colin would have put it--a fkd-up brain which wasn't going to let happen to his children as he'd blamed June for the way Sheila was.

I wish Sally and her sons a happy and peaceful Christmas.x

No one had the right to go into Sheila's mental health. She was never accused of anything. It wasn't she who was on trial. It was Jeremy. Whatever Colin may have said, he's neither psychiatrist nor psychologist, so it only amounts to his opinion. If he'd stood up in court and given it, counsel would have said "Speculation".

[lookout]

No one had the right to go into Sheila's mental health. She was never accused of anything. It wasn't she who was on trial. It was Jeremy. Whatever Colin may have said, he's neither psychiatrist nor psychologist, so it only amounts to his opinion. If he'd stood up in court and given it, counsel would have said "Speculation".

People do have a right to see/read all that there is when it involves some innocent person spending a lifetime in prison. It's plain to see that the woman was positively unwell. 

[guest7363]

People do have a right to see/read all that there is when it involves some innocent person spending a lifetime in prison. It's plain to see that the woman was positively unwell.

I think I read where Bamber stopped the police from looking at his medical records Lookout, not sure though?

[Jane]

People do have a right to see/read all that there is when it involves some innocent person spending a lifetime in prison. It's plain to see that the woman was positively unwell.

Like I said. Sheila was never on trial. IF they'd decided that she'd been responsible, surely there'd only have been an inquest?

[Caroline]

Sheila's mental health was never discussed at length at the trial. Until we learn what the notes contained I don't call this a fair system/trial.

David Challen whose mother was imprisoned for killing her husband said to me today, I quote " Quite important to recognise mental health under diminished responsibility if we're to learn anything ", unquote.

So, is there anywhere in CAL's book where she's studied mental health ?

In Sally's case where she'd spent 9 years in prison for murder her appeal brought about a case of manslaughter after it had been found that she'd been suffering mental health at the time of the murder in 2010. Sally had been released this year after the CoA quashed her appeal in light of new evidence re. her mental health.
 Psychological abuse or as Colin would have put it--a fkd-up brain which wasn't going to let happen to his children as he'd blamed June for the way Sheila was.

I wish Sally and her sons a happy and peaceful Christmas.x

Since when did an author have to study mental health? Also Sheila wasn't on trial, she couldn't make it, someone shot her in the throat and tried to make it look like she killed her sons and her parents. I'm sure she'd have preferred to be there.

Pity you didn't have the same compassion for Sheila Caffell.