Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[ILB]

Truthfully, I think it's probably beyond us to understand. In fairness, I don't believe he did "touch her" after the murders -I think it's in one of her statements?- but she'd probably outlived her usefulness to him so his need for her diminished. Besides which, he probably had big plans for a life which didn't include her. He just needed her onside for a little longer.

I really don't recall that she was treated like a heroine. She never came across as a sympathetic character. I believe there were complaints from some of the parents of the children who attended the school where she was a student teacher and she had to leave. I seem to recall there was an arrogance about her. I see it now through rather different eyes and imagine it was a protective mask.

I agree that there are distinct similarities between her and Maxine Carr. I'll never know why she wasn't prosecuted but I think some sort of deal must have been done. They were hardly going to prosecute someone who was their potential star witness. Her added value was that, unlike MC, she was an intelligent, educated girl, who was capable of doing something with her life. They weren't going to need to change her name and hairstyle at the tax payer's expense.

Maxine carr was away in Grimsby the night Ian Huntley committed his crime. She provided an albi for Huntley because it was the man she loved. And because he had previously been accused of rape. And she believed him innocent and didn't want him to come under suspcion. There is a great deal of difference in my opinion. If Jeremy Bamber told Julie mugford that he planned to do away with his family earlier that very  day,  and then lo and behold they are killed that very night  She must have concluded he was responsible. There's no logical explanation why she didn't mention this to the authorities straight away in my opinion.

[Jane]

They didn't need to butter her up, and promise immunity. She went to the police and made the accusation,  she made statements, they didn't need to promise her anything.

As for this "relief" she must have felt, did she feel anything else? Shame perhaps? Did she feel she could have prevented the death of those five people, including two little children? Did she say sorry to everyone for covering it up, and for supporting Jeremy? She sold her story, so where was her shame then?

Oh, I can't imagine that it didn't cross her mind. Do YOU never experience ambivalent feelings? Why should she be any different? I've already said that I think she behaved VERY badly. In fact, she behaved like the trollop many were saying she was. Who of us haven't done things, in our younger, sillier days, which come back to haunt us now? Perhaps we feel more shame about them now, than we did at the time? I imagine she's worked very hard at leaving that person behind.

[Jane]

Oh please - she wasn't a battered wife. She helped him cover up a murder.

Batterings come in many guises.

[Jane]

Maxine carr was away in Grimsby the night Ian Huntley committed his crime. She provided an albi for Huntley because it was the man she loved. And because he had previously been accused of rape. And she believed him innocent and didn't want him to come under suspcion. There is a great deal of difference in my opinion. If Jeremy Bamber told Julie mugford that he planned to do away with his family earlier that very  day,  and then lo and behold they are killed that very night  She must have concluded he was responsible. There's no logical explanation why she didn't mention this to the authorities straight away in my opinion.

So why was it okay for MC to protect the man she loved, but wrong for JM to do the same. Don't forget he told her he couldn't have done it and hired a hitman to do it for (the princely sum of) £2000.

[Kaldin]

Oh, I can't imagine that it didn't cross her mind. Do YOU never experience ambivalent feelings? Why should she be any different? I've already said that I think she behaved VERY badly. In fact, she behaved like the trollop many were saying she was. Who of us haven't done things, in our younger, sillier days, which come back to haunt us now? Perhaps we feel more shame about them now, than we did at the time? I imagine she's worked very hard at leaving that person behind.

Sillier days? We're not talking about stealing a lollipop from a shop, we're talking about the gruesome murder of five people!

[Kaldin]

Maxine carr was away in Grimsby the night Ian Huntley committed his crime. She provided an albi for Huntley because it was the man she loved. And because he had previously been accused of rape. And she believed him innocent and didn't want him to come under suspcion. There is a great deal of difference in my opinion. If Jeremy Bamber told Julie mugford that he planned to do away with his family earlier that very  day,  and then lo and behold they are killed that very night  She must have concluded he was responsible. There's no logical explanation why she didn't mention this to the authorities straight away in my opinion.

I agree. The jury found Carr not guilty of assisting an offender. It was accepted that she did not know that Huntley had killed those girls. Julie did know Jeremy had done it - or claimed later that she knew.

[Kaldin]

Batterings come in many guises.

I'm not even going to pursue this. The very idea of Julie Mugford being a battered woman is laughable.

[ILB]

I wonder how many battered wives you've met? How many women who live in fear of their partners do you know? They COULD walk away. They COULD go to the police. Most don't. Rumour has it -and I'm not in a position to verify it- that she understood, very well, what an abusive relationship was.

she was in the midst of a murder investigation. This was not a woman chained to the kitchen sink frightened to leave the house. She was the girlfriend of Jeremy Bamber whose family had been murderded. What stopped her on the first meeting if she was armed with the knowledge of what Jeremy had told her, telling the police. How much could a threat to her could Jeremy Bamber be in the close vicinity of police officers if she had mentioned this as soon as she could. Then the police investigation would have focused on Jeremy Bamber from the start. Why didn't she

[ILB]

So why was it okay for MC to protect the man she loved, but wrong for JM to do the same. Don't forget he told her he couldn't have done it and hired a hitman to do it for (the princely sum of) £2000.

Ian Huntley by all accounts ( and was judged in a court of law) told Maxine carr he had not done the crime. She provided him in albi because she loved the man and believed him innocent and did not want him to come under suspcion

[Kaldin]

Julie protected him right until the end - until he dumped her. If he hadn't done that, she would have continued to protect him.

[Jane]

she was in the midst of a murder investigation. This was not a woman chained to the kitchen sink frightened to leave the house. She was the girlfriend of Jeremy Bamber whose family had been murderded. What stopped her on the first meeting if she was armed with the knowledge of what Jeremy had told her, telling the police. How much could a threat to her could Jeremy Bamber be in the close vicinity of police officers if she had mentioned this as soon as she could. Then the police investigation would have focused on Jeremy Bamber from the start. Why didn't she

Who knows why she didn't? The best answer I can give is that she was in denial and remained so until she discovered he was seeing another woman. I think it's highly likely that had he married her she may have kept her mouth shut................until he had his first affair? I've said that she probably went through a gamut of emotions -she probably went through a whole lot of thoughts, not least of which would have been how to make it come right for her.

[Jane]

Sillier days? We're not talking about stealing a lollipop from a shop, we're talking about the gruesome murder of five people!

Well, as I've never stolen a lollipop from anywhere I wouldn't know what feeling guilty of it is like. Julie didn't commit those murders, and remember, I don't think Jeremy EVER admitted that he had. He SAID he'd paid someone else. I'd suggest she really, REALLY wanted that to be true.

[ILB]

Who knows why she didn't? The best answer I can give is that she was in denial and remained so until she discovered he was seeing another woman. I think it's highly likely that had he married her she may have kept her mouth shut................until he had his first affair? I've said that she probably went through a gamut of emotions -she probably went through a whole lot of thoughts, not least of which would have been how to make it come right for her.

how can you be in denial if the person has told you what he is intending to do and then that very night it happens,?

[Kaldin]

Well, as I've never stolen a lollipop from anywhere I wouldn't know what feeling guilty of it is like. Julie didn't commit those murders, and remember, I don't think Jeremy EVER admitted that he had. He SAID he'd paid someone else. I'd suggest she really, REALLY wanted that to be true.

She wanted to believe that he paid someone to do it? Oh, well that's OK then as long as he didn't actually do it himself.

[Kaldin]

how can you be in denial if the person has told you what he is intending to do and then that very night it happens,?

And when he tells you afterwards that he had them killed?