Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Caroline]

That would no longer apply once she'd been certified dead or was thought to be dead.
When did she die then?

So, a doctor didn't realise that she was alive? Seriously? This has about as much weight as a chicks feather!

When Bamber shot her much earlier in the morning.

[Caroline]

That's supported by Pc West's log. In court, Pc West insisted that he'd dealt with Jeremy's call speedily. Hence Jeremy could then have driven to WHF, taking about 7 minutes to drive there.

It's not supported by Bonnet's and West admitted that he probably made a mistake.

Previously Jeremy insisted that he called at 03:24 which IS consistent with Bonnet's log.

This is a ridiculous argument and anyone supporting this pathetic attempt to invent a call from Nevill will end up with egg on their face. However, even when it is rejected by the CCRC (which it will be), people will still hang onto it. Flabbergasted!!

[Jane]

That's supported by Pc West's log. In court, Pc West insisted that he'd dealt with Jeremy's call speedily. Hence Jeremy could then have driven to WHF, taking about 7 minutes to drive there.

Given your penchant for exactitude, your ability to post such ambiguities as "speedily" and "about" is truly amazing.

[Kaldin]

Jane take the blinkers off a second. Your boyfriend tells you he is planning to murder his family. The murder occurs. Even if you dismissed his earlier threats as ' complete bollocks " would you even want to be in the same vicinity as him, let alone accompany him to Amsterdam???

I find that completely bizarre too. If I accept that Julie is telling the truth, how does she cope with that? When Jeremy rang her and allegedly said "tonight's the night", I can see how she might not take that seriously, but then he rang her again and said something was wrong at the farm, and she told him to go back to bed!

What on earth did she think when she found out the next day that they were all dead, and she had done nothing to prevent it? She sat there giving a statement like she knew nothing, and then carried on  seeing him. She even went to see the little boys who he murdered, and still said nothing. I don't get it.

[ILB]

I find that completely bizarre too. If I accept that Julie is telling the truth, how does she cope with that? When Jeremy rang her and allegedly said "tonight's the night", I can see how she might not take that seriously, but then he rang her again and said something was wrong at the farm, and she told him to go back to bed!

What on earth did she think when she found out the next day that they were all dead, and she had done nothing to prevent it? She sat there giving a statement like she knew nothing, and then carried on  seeing him. She even went to see the little boys who he murdered, and still said nothing. I don't get it.

exactly any right minded person would have gone to the police with that information straight away.

[Kaldin]

She didn't even have to go to the police. She was driven to the farm that morning, she made a statement, she was asked questions, and she chose to omit certain details.

Did she really think it was all coincidence, and that Sheila really had done it? Why wasn't she hysterical when she found out they were all dead? Did she think about how she could have prevented it?

[Jane]

I find that completely bizarre too. If I accept that Julie is telling the truth, how does she cope with that? When Jeremy rang her and allegedly said "tonight's the night", I can see how she might not take that seriously, but then he rang her again and said something was wrong at the farm, and she told him to go back to bed!

What on earth did she think when she found out the next day that they were all dead, and she had done nothing to prevent it? She sat there giving a statement like she knew nothing, and then carried on  seeing him. She even went to see the little boys who he murdered, and still said nothing. I don't get it.

Neither, I imagine, do most of us. Who, of us, would actually take it seriously if the man we were in love suddenly expressed a wish to kill his family? Who of us, haven't, at some time, thought the same of our own? Being in denial comes pretty close to where she was, I'd say. Pretend that everything's 'normal' and it will all be alright? Everything will be fine as long as we're together? She was possibly more scared of leaving him than staying with him. He was hardly likely to kill her, too, because he'd be number one suspect for the family murders. She probably ran a whole gamut of emotions. I bet it was the biggest relief of her life when she finally off loaded that dreadful secret.

[Kaldin]

Neither, I imagine, do most of us. Who, of us, would actually take it seriously if the man we were in love suddenly expressed a wish to kill his family? Who of us, haven't, at some time, thought the same of our own? Being in denial comes pretty close to where she was, I'd say. Pretend that everything's 'normal' and it will all be alright? Everything will be fine as long as we're together? She was possibly more scared of leaving him than staying with him. He was hardly likely to kill her, too, because he'd be number one suspect for the family murders. She probably ran a whole gamut of emotions. I bet it was the biggest relief of her life when she finally off loaded that dreadful secret.

I can understand her not taking it seriously - until it happened. I don't understand her attitude or behaviour after that. I can't understand how she could let him touch her, how she could go to the funeral and comfort him. I also don't understand why she was not prosecuted for perverting the course of justice or for assisting an offender.

I was out of the country when the murders happened, and I was still away when Jeremy was arrested and all the fall out was going on, so I didn't follow the story at the time, but I get the impression that she was treated like a heroine rather than someone who covered up for a murderer. Maxine Carr did much less than Julie and was treated like a pariah.

[Reader]

So, a doctor didn't realise that she was alive? . . . When Bamber shot her much earlier in the morning.

The doctor didn't know that, so how would he (or the police) know whether she was alive?

[Reader]

West admitted that he probably made a mistake.

No, he didn't. When pressed about this in court, he said it was possible. He didn't say "probably".

Previously Jeremy insisted that he called at 03:24

How do you know? He originally gave approximations for the various times.

[ILB]

Neither, I imagine, do most of us. Who, of us, would actually take it seriously if the man we were in love suddenly expressed a wish to kill his family? Who of us, haven't, at some time, thought the same of our own? Being in denial comes pretty close to where she was, I'd say. Pretend that everything's 'normal' and it will all be alright? Everything will be fine as long as we're together? She was possibly more scared of leaving him than staying with him. He was hardly likely to kill her, too, because he'd be number one suspect for the family murders. She probably ran a whole gamut of emotions. I bet it was the biggest relief of her life when she finally off loaded that dreadful secret.

there is no secret about it. According to Julie Jeremy had mentioned it on few occasions. To quote her own words, (we have all seen the clip at sometime or other) "He spoke with a lot of vehemence" If Jeremy Bamber rang Julie and said " tonight's the night" and then lo and behold the family get murdered that very night. She must have come to the logical obvious conclusion he was guilty. Can I honestly ask you the female members of The forum here. Would you share the same bed as man armed with this knowledge in the aftermath and continue to be at his side. Going on holiday with him etc. Forget " mixed emotions" " and being in denial" you would want to be as far away from him as possible. And would have told the first police officer you came across what you knew.

[Jane]

I can understand her not taking it seriously - until it happened. I don't understand her attitude or behaviour after that. I can't understand how she could let him touch her, how she could go to the funeral and comfort him. I also don't understand why she was not prosecuted for perverting the course of justice or for assisting an offender.

I was out of the country when the murders happened, and I was still away when Jeremy was arrested and all the fall out was going on, so I didn't follow the story at the time, but I get the impression that she was treated like a heroine rather than someone who covered up for a murderer. Maxine Carr did much less than Julie and was treated like a pariah.

Truthfully, I think it's probably beyond us to understand. In fairness, I don't believe he did "touch her" after the murders -I think it's in one of her statements?- but she'd probably outlived her usefulness to him so his need for her diminished. Besides which, he probably had big plans for a life which didn't include her. He just needed her onside for a little longer.

I really don't recall that she was treated like a heroine. She never came across as a sympathetic character. I believe there were complaints from some of the parents of the children who attended the school where she was a student teacher and she had to leave. I seem to recall there was an arrogance about her. I see it now through rather different eyes and imagine it was a protective mask.

I agree that there are distinct similarities between her and Maxine Carr. I'll never know why she wasn't prosecuted but I think some sort of deal must have been done. They were hardly going to prosecute someone who was their potential star witness. Her added value was that, unlike MC, she was an intelligent, educated girl, who was capable of doing something with her life. They weren't going to need to change her name and hairstyle at the tax payer's expense.

[Kaldin]

They didn't need to butter her up, and promise immunity. She went to the police and made the accusation,  she made statements, they didn't need to promise her anything.

As for this "relief" she must have felt, did she feel anything else? Shame perhaps? Did she feel she could have prevented the death of those five people, including two little children? Did she say sorry to everyone for covering it up, and for supporting Jeremy? She sold her story, so where was her shame then?

[Jane]

there is no secret about it. According to Julie Jeremy had mentioned it on few occasions. To quote her own words, (we have all seen the clip at sometime or other) "He spoke with a lot of vehemence" If Jeremy Bamber rang Julie and said " tonight's the night" and then lo and behold the family get murdered that very night. She must have come to the logical obvious conclusion he was guilty. Can I honestly ask you the female members of The forum here. Would you share the same bed as man armed with this knowledge in the aftermath and continue to be at his side. Going on holiday with him etc. Forget " mixed emotions" " and being in denial" you would want to be as far away from him as possible. And would have told the first police officer you came across what you knew.

I wonder how many battered wives you've met? How many women who live in fear of their partners do you know? They COULD walk away. They COULD go to the police. Most don't. Rumour has it -and I'm not in a position to verify it- that she understood, very well, what an abusive relationship was.

[Kaldin]

I wonder how many battered wives you've met? How many women who live in fear of their partners do you know? They COULD walk away. They COULD go to the police. Most don't. Rumour has it -and I'm not in a position to verify it- that she understood, very well, what an abusive relationship was.

Oh please - she wasn't a battered wife. She helped him cover up a murder.