Author Topic: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?  (Read 155595 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline ILB

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13151
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #660 on: November 03, 2019, 09:27:PM »
You're from the David1819 school of membership on this site. I have come to respect him over the years yet you sir still have much to learn.
on the contrary Steven/Stephen I have nothing to learn. I am neither pro Jeremy Bamber or ardently a supporter of his guilt. The only person who knows the truth of that matter is the 58 year old in HMP wakefield. I'm just taking a neutral stance to the whole case
If yesterday you hated me. Then today you can not stop the love that binds from me to you. And you to me

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33775
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #661 on: November 03, 2019, 09:37:PM »
on the contrary Steven/Stephen I have nothing to learn. I am neither pro Jeremy Bamber or ardently a supporter of his guilt. The only person who knows the truth of that matter is the 58 year old in HMP wakefield. I'm just taking a neutral stance to the whole case


Really!!! Are you absolutely certain about your neutrality? It's highly unusual for neutrals to become that agitated about a post that they feel the need to resort to inappropriate language by way of protest. I will agree, however, that Jeremy, as I believe he claimed to a friend's mother, prior to his arrest, is the only one who knows what really happened that night.

Offline ILB

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13151
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #662 on: November 03, 2019, 09:48:PM »

Really!!! Are you absolutely certain about your neutrality? It's highly unusual for neutrals to become that agitated about a post that they feel the need to resort to inappropriate language by way of protest. I will agree, however, that Jeremy, as I believe he claimed to a friend's mother, prior to his arrest, is the only one who knows what really happened that night.
I got agitated because he posted complete bollocks.
If yesterday you hated me. Then today you can not stop the love that binds from me to you. And you to me

Offline ILB

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13151
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #663 on: November 03, 2019, 09:52:PM »
I got agitated because he posted complete bollocks.
Jane take the blinkers off a second. Your boyfriend tells you he is planning to murder his family. The murder occurs. Even if you dismissed his earlier threats as ' complete bollocks " would you even want to be in the same vicinity as him, let alone accompany him to Amsterdam???
If yesterday you hated me. Then today you can not stop the love that binds from me to you. And you to me

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33775
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #664 on: November 03, 2019, 09:57:PM »
I got agitated because he posted complete bollocks.


Steve's and my writing styles are different, but he actually didn't SAY anything different from me, He just wrote it differently.

Offline ILB

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13151
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #665 on: November 03, 2019, 09:59:PM »
No, but you're making sweeping statements and relying on generalizations. My friends, wives, daughters, and sisters to farmers, have NEVER touched guns, have never been on shoots. This doesn't mean that ALL country women dislike country pursuits, it just means that it's not a given that they do. You will have noted that I've looked at a much bigger picture, here. What I haven't bought into the picture is her illness, subsequent medication and the effects it had on her person. They would all preclude any form of dexterity.
we've gone from " you are right " to " you are making sweeping generalisations love.....
If yesterday you hated me. Then today you can not stop the love that binds from me to you. And you to me

Offline ILB

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 13151
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #666 on: November 03, 2019, 10:03:PM »
we've gone from " you are right " to " you are making sweeping generalisations love.....
close relatives cannot account for everything and I do believe two of them made statements to the effect of Shelia using guns. But yes we are both just speculating
If yesterday you hated me. Then today you can not stop the love that binds from me to you. And you to me

Offline Steve_uk

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 21102
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #667 on: November 03, 2019, 10:17:PM »
If you can't see the inherent contradictions in #660 then you may as well not bother to post here (which would be a shame as new members should be welcomed-we've had enough bans to last a lifetime).

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33775
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #668 on: November 03, 2019, 10:36:PM »
Jane take the blinkers off a second. Your boyfriend tells you he is planning to murder his family. The murder occurs. Even if you dismissed his earlier threats as ' complete bollocks " would you even want to be in the same vicinity as him, let alone accompany him to Amsterdam???


Let me just say that when I first joined, I believed Jeremy was innocent. Indeed, for personal reasons, I was so desperate for him to be that I heard myself making excuses for him. It was at that point when my protests started feeling hollow.

Now, I've looked at Julie's relationship with Jeremy from several angles. The first -and I'll own up before Adam drops me in it!!!- involved me being disparaging about the clothes she wore to court. I may even have said that she had the beginnings of a moustache!!! You may guess, correctly that I didn't like her. Then I took a gooood, deep look at her life. I started to see a different Julie.....................

....................Undoubtedly, she was a clever girl, but her life hadn't been exactly cushioned. She was doing a second degree but was having to do casual work to fund it. It was at on such that she met Jeremy. When he showed an interest she probably thought all her Birthdays and Christmas's had come at once. I think she may have begun to envisage a different life for herself. One in which she didn't have to struggle for every penny -whilst Jeremy may have complained bitterly about being short of money, he actually had NO idea what it felt like because the family 'cushion' was always there as a safety net- and one where she was whisked off to exciting places at a moment's notice. For a while life must have been good.

Would she have believed him when he first said he wanted rid of his family? At 20 years old, I don't somehow think she'd have taken him seriously. After all, what reason did he have? He was doing very nicely............by her standards. In any case, what was she going to do? She might have gone to the police but they A) probably wouldn't have believed her, and B) there was nothing they could have done until/unless a crime had been committed. She allowed him the use of her sleeping pills, however, I can't be sure if it was an active or passive thing. What I'm certain of is that she didn't believe he'd go through with what he told her he was planning. In fact, I don't think he dotted any I's or crossed any T's until the moment he made up his mind to do it, by which time she was caught up in it and it was too late. It's likely that every time she thought of walking into a police station -and I believe she must have- she probably saw herself throwing up.

I don't know how she lived with it for as long as she did. I can only think that she still felt that as long as they were together, somehow it would all come right in the end. I make no excuses for her. She behaved very badly. She flaunted herself like a tramp. I wouldn't have wanted her teaching my children. But it wasn't she who committed the crime, HOWEVER! I'm inclined to believe she MAY have known rather more than she revealed because I find it very odd that Jeremy has never said anything derogatory of her. If he knows she has something more on him, to me, it suggests his guilt.

Offline Steve_uk

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 21102
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #669 on: November 03, 2019, 10:54:PM »

Let me just say that when I first joined, I believed Jeremy was innocent. Indeed, for personal reasons, I was so desperate for him to be that I heard myself making excuses for him. It was at that point when my protests started feeling hollow.

Now, I've looked at Julie's relationship with Jeremy from several angles. The first -and I'll own up before Adam drops me in it!!!- involved me being disparaging about the clothes she wore to court. I may even have said that she had the beginnings of a moustache!!! You may guess, correctly that I didn't like her. Then I took a gooood, deep look at her life. I started to see a different Julie.....................

....................Undoubtedly, she was a clever girl, but her life hadn't been exactly cushioned. She was doing a second degree but was having to do casual work to fund it. It was at on such that she met Jeremy. When he showed an interest she probably thought all her Birthdays and Christmas's had come at once. I think she may have begun to envisage a different life for herself. One in which she didn't have to struggle for every penny -whilst Jeremy may have complained bitterly about being short of money, he actually had NO idea what it felt like because the family 'cushion' was always there as a safety net- and one where she was whisked off to exciting places at a moment's notice. For a while life must have been good.

Would she have believed him when he first said he wanted rid of his family? At 20 years old, I don't somehow think she'd have taken him seriously. After all, what reason did he have? He was doing very nicely............by her standards. In any case, what was she going to do? She might have gone to the police but they A) probably wouldn't have believed her, and B) there was nothing they could have done until/unless a crime had been committed. She allowed him the use of her sleeping pills, however, I can't be sure if it was an active or passive thing. What I'm certain of is that she didn't believe he'd go through with what he told her he was planning. In fact, I don't think he dotted any I's or crossed any T's until the moment he made up his mind to do it, by which time she was caught up in it and it was too late. It's likely that every time she thought of walking into a police station -and I believe she must have- she probably saw herself throwing up.

I don't know how she lived with it for as long as she did. I can only think that she still felt that as long as they were together, somehow it would all come right in the end. I make no excuses for her. She behaved very badly. She flaunted herself like a tramp. I wouldn't have wanted her teaching my children. But it wasn't she who committed the crime, HOWEVER! I'm inclined to believe she MAY have known rather more than she revealed because I find it very odd that Jeremy has never said anything derogatory of her. If he knows she has something more on him, to me, it suggests his guilt.
Another incisive and original post, which shows how many of us have looked at this case under the prism of humility until the tragic truth finally hit us in the face. An old thread of mine might be apposite here. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5528.msg240823.html#msg240823

Offline Jane

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 33775
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #670 on: November 03, 2019, 11:02:PM »
Another incisive and original post, which shows how many of us have looked at this case under the prism of humility until the tragic truth finally hit us in the face. An old thread of mine might be apposite here. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5528.msg240823.html#msg240823


Thanks for the reminder, Steve. It occurs to me that life must be so much simpler for those who can only see things in terms of black or white. They never have to experience the confusion of picking their way through those infinite shades of grey, and whether they're right or wrong it won't bother them. Their belief is everything. Good Night :)

Offline Steve_uk

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 21102
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #671 on: November 03, 2019, 11:07:PM »

Thanks for the reminder, Steve. It occurs to me that life must be so much simpler for those who can only see things in terms of black or white. They never have to experience the confusion of picking their way through those infinite shades of grey, and whether they're right or wrong it won't bother them. Their belief is everything. Good Night :)
One further comment I will make tonight: if it had to be far rather for humanity's sake that a tragically deranged young schizophrenic killed her children out of love than a cold, calculating apparently sane individual murdered out of pure hatred, self-interest and greed.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2019, 11:16:PM by Steve_uk »

Offline Caroline

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 27076
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #672 on: November 03, 2019, 11:55:PM »
Maybe I can speak for Caroline whilst she's down at the pub enjoying her pink gin and tonic. She wrote to him and he avoided the difficult questions, just as he has done with all his legal representation to date. He prefers mother figures like Trudi, bland and harmless, who offer unswerving approbation without any need for reciprocity on his part.

Thank you Steve X
Few people have the imagination for reality

Offline Reader

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2456
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #673 on: November 04, 2019, 12:41:AM »
She would have been considered an armed suspect and as such, the welfare of the attending officers would have been the first concern.
That would no longer apply once she'd been certified dead or was thought to be dead.

She wasn't shot by the police though.
When did she die then?

Offline Reader

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2456
Re: Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?
« Reply #674 on: November 04, 2019, 01:05:AM »
The claim is now, that he called the police at 03:36!
That's supported by Pc West's log. In court, Pc West insisted that he'd dealt with Jeremy's call speedily. Hence Jeremy could then have driven to WHF, taking about 7 minutes to drive there.