Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Caroline]

I've never believed that Nevill phoned the police. He will get nowhere with this appeal IMO, unless there are other pieces of new evidence. The fact is that Jeremy phoned West at about 3.24. It could have been 3.22 or 3.23, but he did not leave it 25 minutes before he phoned.

I don't find it odd because he is looking for anything which he thinks could clear him. That doesn't signify either guilt or innocence.

Oh I think you're wrong! Very wrong! He is prepared to lie and not even make any explanation. He lied about not calling Julie first and he's lied about lots of other things. An innocent man wouldn't need to lie.

[ILB]

Factor in that (according to him now), he didn't call 999 AND it took him 26 minutes not to do so. 26 minutes is a long time to contemplate and even by the original timings, 14 minutes is aso quite some time if you believe that your family are in danger!

but according to you he had no reason to be shocked

[Kaldin]

Oh I think you're wrong! Very wrong! He is prepared to lie and not even make any explanation. He lied about not calling Julie first and he's lied about lots of other things. An innocent man wouldn't need to lie.

Innocent people do lie actually. Jeremy wants to show that Nevill called the police - that's natural. I don't see it as evidence of guilt.

[Caroline]

Innocent people do lie actually. Jeremy wants to show that Nevill called the police - that's natural. I don't see it as evidence of guilt.

Innocent people are set free on evidence - not on lies! What lies did the Birmingham Six, the Gilford Four, Stefan Kiszko and the like, put forward to obtain their release? It's OK to lie in order to further your case? WOW! 

[Jane]

but according to you he had no reason to be shocked

That's right. In REAL life -other than having massacred his family- he hadn't. In his make believe world -in which his panicked father allegedly called him to say his sister had gone berserk and had got hold of a gun- he had every reason to be shocked.

[Caroline]

but according to you he had no reason to be shocked

He didn't and that's the point! Hence why he didn't think it through! If it were REAL, he would have acted with more urgency!

[Kaldin]

Innocent people are set free on evidence - not on lies! What lies did the Birmingham Six, the Gilford Four, Stefan Kiszko and the like, put forward to obtain their release? It's OK to lie in order to further your case? WOW! 

Innocent people are sometimes set free because of lack of evidence, or because of technicalities. I wouldn't assume they're telling the truth about absolutely everything.

If Jeremy is innocent, what can he do to show that? He's tried the DNA thing, he's tried other things, and he's going to try everything he can. The appeal court will not buy it, but that's another issue.

[Caroline]

Innocent people are sometimes set free because of lack of evidence, or because of technicalities. I wouldn't assume they're telling the truth about absolutely everything.

If Jeremy is innocent, what can he do to show that? He's tried the DNA thing, he's tried other things, and he's going to try everything he can. The appeal court will not buy it, but that's another issue.

Lack of evidence and technicalities does not an innocent person make. We're talking about innocent people lying to seek an appeal. How many have you heard of?

Of course they won't buy it - they're not stupid.

[Kaldin]

Lack of evidence and technicalities does not an innocent person make. We're talking about innocent people lying to seek an appeal. How many have you heard of?

Of course they won't buy it - they're not stupid.

I don't know what innocent people have lied about - how would I know that?

You keep saying that Jeremy tried to sue West or something. I haven't heard that - where did you get that from?

[Caroline]

I don't know what innocent people have lied about - how would I know that?

You keep saying that Jeremy tried to sue West or something. I haven't heard that - where did you get that from?

You said innocent people lie but you can name any that have made stuff with in order to get an appeal. Because you said it, I thought you has someone in mind.

Where did I get it - from Jeremy!

[Kaldin]

You said innocent people lie but you can name any that have made stuff with in order to get an appeal. Because you said it, I thought you has someone in mind.

Where did I get it - from Jeremy!

Well I only have your word for that. I didn't know you were in touch with him.

[Caroline]

Well I only have your word for that. I didn't know you were in touch with him.

No, I have shown NGB the document in question, you can ask him. Yes, I wrote to him for a few years when I thought he was innocent. He is one of the reasons why I no long think so.

[Caroline]

Off to the pub! 

[Kaldin]

How bizarre.

[David1819]

lol