Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[lookout]

I was being sarcastic.

The CT claim Sheila rang an ambulance. Why don’t you believe that then?

The only thing Ainsley and Co suppressed (as far as I know). Is the evidence of no forced entry via the bathroom window. The bible and Fletchers silencer experiments.

Sheila was the only one alive at the time that's why she rang for an ambulance.

[Roch]

I was being sarcastic.

The CT claim Sheila rang an ambulance. Why don’t you believe that then?

The only thing Ainsley and Co suppressed (as far as I know). Is the evidence of no forced entry via the bathroom window. The bible and Fletchers silencer experiments.

Yeah, I know you were being sarcastic.  I looked at the ambulance thing for a while - but I felt it was weak because it was ambiguous and leant itself to different interpretations.

Friday 13 September 1985 was the “day of evil” when a good deal of the documentation used against Jeremy was created. On the morning of Friday 13th September 1985, Jeremy appeared at Chelmsford Magistrates Court where he was granted bail on charges of burglary until 16th October 1985. Both PC West and Malcolm Bonnett allegedly made statements dated 13.9.85. 

[Roch]

Do you have any evidence that West's statement of 9th August was actually made in September?

Not personally. Initial statements were made at a time when Jeremy was not officially regarded as a suspect.  Sheila was in the frame.  Given that Ainsley was brought in with the brief of pursuing Jeremy, he could not have allowed any statements come to light which ruled Jeremy out in any obvious way.   

[Caroline]

There's a difference when you're physically there with a person who's died than if you get a phone-call at stupid o'clock from 3 or so miles away.
I nursed my husband until his death at night and was asked by the on-call GP what the time of death was and I was struggling even then.

There is NO difference!! 

[Caroline]

Yeah, I know you were being sarcastic.  I looked at the ambulance thing for a while - but I felt it was weak because it was ambiguous and leant itself to different interpretations.

Friday 13 September 1985 was the “day of evil” when a good deal of the documentation used against Jeremy was created. On the morning of Friday 13th September 1985, Jeremy appeared at Chelmsford Magistrates Court where he was granted bail on charges of burglary until 16th October 1985. Both PC West and Malcolm Bonnett allegedly made statements dated 13.9.85.

West made his first statement on 09/08/1985

[Roch]

West made his first statement on 09/08/1985

Yes, this has already been stated.  I bet his 9th Aug statement only became available at some point after 13th Sept.

[Caroline]

Yes, this has already been stated.  I bet his 9th Aug statement only became available at some point after 13th Sept.

I bet it didn't.

[lookout]

There is NO difference!! 

If YOU say so 

[Caroline]

If YOU say so 

It was actually YOU who was 'saying so'

[lookout]

If YOU say so 

I was more concerned about my husband than the bloody time that he'd died ! It was bad enough when I rang a locum to say he'd died to get the answer " what do you mean,died ?" Unbelievably thick !

[sami]

The accusations that he is Mike Tesko were absurd. He spent three years studying the first hour of the case from a police perspective, after overhearing some officers or ex officers laughing at how much of a stitch-up the conviction was. His early posts are about the first hour of the case.

your mistaken my friend,its well known who bill is from years ago.but if you want to believe its  NOT mike than thats up to you

[sami]

Bill is logging into the forum, but not posting anything.

At least try and defend your position.

[sami]

We are all pleased that sami and Jan are back.

thanks steve

[Caroline]

I was more concerned about my husband than the bloody time that he'd died ! It was bad enough when I rang a locum to say he'd died to get the answer " what do you mean,died ?" Unbelievably thick !

I was MORE concerned about my Dad then the time, I looked at the clock so I could have an idea of how long the paramedics would take and I'll never forget someone pronouncing my dad dead nor when they took him out of the house!

Jeremy on the other hand, offered up the time of 03:10 and 03:25, had he said, I don't recall and in his (so called) desperate state, called 999 - I might agree on the shock suggestion.

[Strobe]

So all of that aside (for a moment) - when did Jeremy call Julie?

Jeremy originally said that he called Julie Mugford before he called the police. He said he called at  03.25 and this is corroborated by the time Julie Mugford originally gave for when she got the call. She said it was 03.30. Given the tendency people have to round off times to the nearest five minutes, the call probably took place at around 03.27. Another basic reason for rejecting the view that Jeremy called the police at 03.26 is that he was calling Julie Mugford at that time.

People who defend the position that Jeremy called West at around 03.24 don't only need to maintain that West mistimed his log at 03.36, they need to change the times of all the relevant phone calls in that period, which is a reduction to the absurd.

If a time is disputed then you look for corroboration by relating it to other accepted times, but in this case the opposition maintain that the times which should count as corroboration are also wrong by about the same amount.

3:36. Time West receiving Jeremy's call. Must be corrected to 03:24.

03:25. Time Jeremy said he called Julie Mugford. Must be corrected to 03:40 or to some time earlier than 03.25 depending on the agenda.

03:30 Time Susan Battersby said she was woken up  by Jeremy's call. Must be corrected to 03:40 or to 03.15 or whatever.

03.37 Time West's telephone call was received at Witham. Must be changed to whatever is required.

But with this last there is a another problem. Even if it is maintained that this call is mistimed, it can't seriously be denied that it took place. There is too much detail for there to be any doubt that West made a call by telephone  to Witham at approximately 03.37, which he strangely did not mention in his statements.