Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[lookout]

Not really true Lookout given that David doesn't advocate guilt and even he can see there is a problem trying to use the phone calls timings and or a call from Nevill.

David's never believed there was such a call Caroline and this has been the whole crux of the difference between innocence and guilt.

[Caroline]

David's never believed there was such a call Caroline and this has been the whole crux of the difference between innocence and guilt.

Neither do I - but it's obviously not the difference, given that David supports innocence.

[David1819]

David's never believed there was such a call Caroline and this has been the whole crux of the difference between innocence and guilt.

I was open minded about it initially.

[Caroline]

I was open minded about it initially.

As was I - initially.

[lookout]

Something else has also been mentioned and that's 6 photocopies of other bloodied pages of the Bible with fingerprints on them and passages which are underlined. The defence team hadn't realised this during the 2002 appeal probably because SJ had said it had been destroyed.

[Caroline]

Something else has also been mentioned and that's 6 photocopies of other bloodied pages of the Bible with fingerprints on them and passages which are underlined. The defence team hadn't realised this during the 2002 appeal probably because SJ had said it had been destroyed.

I am aware of the other pages but Jeremy needs to tread carefully here!

[Reader]

Ann Eaton is not a credible witness.

Agreed, but even if her assertion about Jeremy were correct, it doesn't imply the Jeremy's telephone call to Pc West took 11 minutes. Even the prosecution accepted Pc West's assertions at trial that he dealt with Jeremy's call quickly, but they suggested his written note of the time when Jeremy rang him was a mistake. The mistake wasn't attributed to an incorrect clock, as the clock had been checked later and found to be working correctly.

Pc West noted that car CA7 was "at scene" at 03:50, which was in rough agreement with Bonnett's note of 03:48 as the arrival time of the same car, but these times are too late to fit with any guilty scenario unless the police response was incredibly slow, which isn't what the prosecution suggested.

[lookout]

I am aware of the other pages but Jeremy needs to tread carefully here!

Why ?

[David1819]

Agreed, but even if her assertion about Jeremy were correct, it doesn't imply the Jeremy's telephone call to Pc West took 11 minutes. Even the prosecution accepted Pc West's assertions at trial that he dealt with Jeremy's call quickly, but they suggested his written note of the time when Jeremy rang him was a mistake. The mistake wasn't attributed to an incorrect clock, as the clock had been checked later and found to be working correctly.

Pc West noted that car CA7 was "at scene" at 03:50, which was in rough agreement with Bonnett's note of 03:48 as the arrival time of the same car, but these times are too late to fit with any guilty scenario unless the police response was incredibly slow, which isn't what the prosecution suggested.

I can find nothing in wests trial testimony that said the response was quick.


CA07 leaves Witham at 3:35 and arrives at 3:48. According to google maps it would be travelling on average 48mph.

[Caroline]

Agreed, but even if her assertion about Jeremy were correct, it doesn't imply the Jeremy's telephone call to Pc West took 11 minutes. Even the prosecution accepted Pc West's assertions at trial that he dealt with Jeremy's call quickly, but they suggested his written note of the time when Jeremy rang him was a mistake. The mistake wasn't attributed to an incorrect clock, as the clock had been checked later and found to be working correctly.

Pc West noted that car CA7 was "at scene" at 03:50, which was in rough agreement with Bonnett's note of 03:48 as the arrival time of the same car, but these times are too late to fit with any guilty scenario unless the police response was incredibly slow, which isn't what the prosecution suggested.

West also accepted that he could have written down an incorrect time on the log. The prosecution pushed him on his timings, especially when he stated that he dealt with the initial part of the call within 1 min. I think you're adding your own assumptions as to how they felt about his recollection.

[Caroline]

Why ?

I can't say.

[lookout]

I can't say.

Wouldn't you have thought it was a bit late in the day for him to " tread carefully ?"

[Caroline]

Wouldn't you have thought it was a bit late in the day for him to " tread carefully ?"

Not in this instance.

[lookout]

Not in this instance.

Well I very much doubt that his knees will be knocking.

[Caroline]

Well I very much doubt that his knees will be knocking.

Oh me either Lookout, but that really doesn't matter.