Jeremy Bamber proven innocent?

[Jane]

Inside the farmhouse where they all lay? How did he control the cops ?

HOW..?He told the police chapter and verse. Like the book my bro in law wrote. The preface says he told the truth but not necessarily ALL the truth.

[Jane]

Obviously ! How else would they have known anything ? You call that controlling the cops ? He'd have controlled them if he hadn't have answered what they were asking him at the time.

Had you realized that you think the exact opposite of everyone else? Do you do it deliberately or for fun

[lookout]

Had you realized that you think the exact opposite of everyone else? Do you do it deliberately or for fun

Murders aren't funny !

[Steve_uk]

Killers can't get back to their place of murder quick enough. Right ? A murderer will invariably return to where they committed the crime if only to see " their work ". Psychopaths in particular. Haven't you read about it ? It's a power thing that they have over those who they've killed.

He did return twice following his charade with Police on August 7th: once at the request of Ann Eaton, the other ostensibly to retrieve his passport.

[Jane]

Murders aren't funny !

Oh I'm with you there. However certain reactions to them can be so off the wall that they can only be described as being so

[lookout]

He did return twice following his charade with Police on August 7th: once at the request of Ann Eaton, the other ostensibly to retrieve his passport.

I meant him actually getting inside while the bodies were in-situ. He would have been clever enough to have wormed his way in even in the company of the police, just to " view his work ".

By all accounts when he went in accompanied by AE he wasn't altogether comfortable as it hadn't been long since the murders.
The retrieval of the passport came later where he wouldn't have lingered long, not even long enough to fill his pockets ?

[Caroline]

I meant him actually getting inside while the bodies were in-situ. He would have been clever enough to have wormed his way in even in the company of the police, just to " view his work ".

By all accounts when he went in accompanied by AE he wasn't altogether comfortable as it hadn't been long since the murders.
The retrieval of the passport came later where he wouldn't have lingered long, not even long enough to fill his pockets ?

Why would he need to do that when he had JUST killed them? You're talking about a completely different kind of killer.

[Caroline]

I meant him actually getting inside while the bodies were in-situ. He would have been clever enough to have wormed his way in even in the company of the police, just to " view his work ".

By all accounts when he went in accompanied by AE he wasn't altogether comfortable as it hadn't been long since the murders.
The retrieval of the passport came later where he wouldn't have lingered long, not even long enough to fill his pockets ?

Ever the consummate actor! It didn't take him log to get comfortable - 10 mins or so!

[Caroline]

Obviously ! How else would they have known anything ? You call that controlling the cops ? He'd have controlled them if he hadn't have answered what they were asking him at the time.

Not sure why these debates end up being hundreds of miles away from the topic - and completely surreal! 

[David1819]

Its often been said that Jeremy being unable to call Nevil back is because Nevil had began making a call to the police. However if Nevill left the phone off the hook, Jeremy would need to keep his phone on the hook for two minutes in order to be disengaged and call out again.

"I understand that a question had been asked as follows: If caller A from Tollesbury had phoned caller B at Goldhanger and during the course of the call, caller A had placed the receiver down, but not on the hook. Would caller B he able to dial out again. The basic answer to this question is yes caller B could call out again on his line provided caller. B had replaced his, receiver on the hook for a continuous period of 1-2 minutes. There is no exact period of time up to 2 minutes.

I must stress that the period must be continuous. If caller B picked up the receiver say for a moment before the 'force-release' period had ended then the 'force release' period would begin again. The 'force release' period is up to 2 minutes although I cannot state what the minimum period is. "

Maybe Bews was right. Maybe Jeremy did call Whitman police station. He didn't get through because his own line was still engaged. And once he found the number for Chelmsford those two minutes were up. And hence got through.

[lookout]

A call would end the minute the button was depressed either manually or by replacing the cradle, then you can go straight ahead and make another call.

[Caroline]

Its often been said that Jeremy being unable to call Nevil back is because Nevil had began making a call to the police. However if Nevill left the phone off the hook, Jeremy would need to keep his phone on the hook for two minutes in order to be disengaged and call out again.

"I understand that a question had been asked as follows: If caller A from Tollesbury had phoned caller B at Goldhanger and during the course of the call, caller A had placed the receiver down, but not on the hook. Would caller B he able to dial out again. The basic answer to this question is yes caller B could call out again on his line provided caller. B had replaced his, receiver on the hook for a continuous period of 1-2 minutes. There is no exact period of time up to 2 minutes.

I must stress that the period must be continuous. If caller B picked up the receiver say for a moment before the 'force-release' period had ended then the 'force release' period would begin again. The 'force release' period is up to 2 minutes although I cannot state what the minimum period is. "

Maybe Bews was right. Maybe Jeremy did call Whitman police station. He didn't get through because his own line was still engaged. And once he found the number for Chelmsford those two minutes were up. And hence got through.

But given that he said none of that, not even when the expert witness explained what would happen, we can be pretty sure, it didn't.

[Caroline]

A call would end the minute the button was depressed either manually or by replacing the cradle, then you can go straight ahead and make another call.

Not if the person who called you hadn't replaced the receiver.

[lookout]

Not if the person who called you hadn't replaced the receiver.

Then you obviously wouldn't be able to ring them back but it wouldn't stop you from replacing the receiver and ringing someone else. Because one number is unobtainable doesn't render your phone useless.

Because the receiver hadn't been replaced would have been the time that JB rang EP.

[lookout]

Phones back then were operator operated and if the phone was left off the hook you'd hear the voice of the operator telling you to replace it so as long as that phone had been left that way the line remained open to the operator. If left long enough some phones would automatically put through an emergency call or would be disabled after a long drawn-out noise