Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound

[David1819]

A recent theory of mine on the bloodstain pattern to Sheila's neck

[Steve_uk]

David could you type the coloured writing and explain?  As usual I can't discern.

[Caroline]

Don't agrees, the pattern looks as though it is split in half and that the top is a mirror image on the bottom. As though her head was forward at some point with her chin almost touching her collar bone. There is a gap in the stain that could be caused from a crease in the skin due to the head being forward and the dark spots look like dried blood pulled apart after 'someone' moved her head

[David1819]

Don't agrees, the pattern looks as though it is split in half and that the top is a mirror image on the bottom. As though her head was forward at some point with her chin almost touching her collar bone. There is a gap in the stain that could be caused from a crease in the skin due to the head being forward and the dark spots look like dried blood pulled apart after 'someone' moved her head

There is no symmetry anywhere.

Not only does the line correspond with the barrel going from threaded to smooth. The blood stain below to the right has a different texture to the rest and looks like a swipe stain.

[guest7363]

  In that case, Would you not see the finger swipe as well.  If she was holding the end of the gun barrel with her finger you would  get a smear across from the finger following the barrel?

[sami]

  In that case, Would you not see the finger swipe as well.  If she was holding the end of the gun barrel with her finger you would  get a smear across from the finger following the barrel?

yes justice very well spotted

[Caroline]

There is no symmetry anywhere.

Not only does the line correspond with the barrel going from threaded to smooth. The blood stain below to the right has a different texture to the rest and looks like a swipe stain.

I think you are taking the 'swipe' thing too far. I still believe it's a mirror image and don't see any swipe stain. Also, there was no blood on the end of the rifle which is why the silencer had more weight.

[guest7363]

I think you are taking the 'swipe' thing too far. I still believe it's a mirror image and don't see any swipe stain. Also, there was no blood on the end of the rifle which is why the silencer had more weight.

Correct Caroline, blood would have been in the grooves and hard to remove.

[David1819]

  In that case, Would you not see the finger swipe as well.  If she was holding the end of the gun barrel with her finger you would  get a smear across from the finger following the barrel?

Only if her finger was positioned at the top of the barell. It's likely the finger would be below the front sight.

[David1819]

I think you are taking the 'swipe' thing too far. I still believe it's a mirror image and don't see any swipe stain. Also, there was no blood on the end of the rifle which is why the silencer had more weight.

I know they say there was no blood at the end of the rifle. Just like they say allot of things. However if photographic observation contradicts their claims what are you going to believe?

[guest7363]

Only if her finger was positioned at the top of the barell. It's likely the finger would be below the front sight.

Looking at it though David, the barrel end must have travel one way first (left) then travelled right? Because it extends to the left of the wound considerably?

[lookout]

Very feasible David and very well thought out. Her crooked index finger indicates that it had been in that position since before RM set in,so yes,consistent with using the trigger.

[Caroline]

I know they say there was no blood at the end of the rifle. Just like they say allot of things. However if photographic observation contradicts their claims what are you going to believe?

David, if IF's and But'd were fruit and nuts, then we'd all have a Merry Christmas!

[guest7363]

Very feasible David and very well thought out. Her crooked index finger indicates that it had been in that position since before RM set in,so yes,consistent with using the trigger.

David is not saying the index finger was used for pulling the trigger, he is suggesting she used it to pull the barrel end across her throat.

[guest7363]

I know they say there was no blood at the end of the rifle. Just like they say allot of things. However if photographic observation contradicts their claims what are you going to believe?

Why would the protector ring for the threads be missing in the first place?  If as its been suggested Neville had removed the silencer at sometime he would have put the protector ring on?  To me that shows the silencer was removed in a hurry by someone.