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Offline David1819

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2016, 03:47:PM »
Looking at it though David, the barrel end must have travel one way first (left) then travelled right? Because it extends to the left of the wound considerably?

I take it you are talking about the area I have coloured below?

The texture of the blood is different to that of the blood on the other side. I believe its possible the rifle did cover that location before the second fired but with less force against the skin due to the curvature of the neck and chin relevant to the rifle.

I would like to do some experiments on this. I wonder if I can purchase an anslutz screw threaded barrel on its own without a gun license?  :-\
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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2016, 03:53:PM »
I take it you are talking about the area I have coloured below?

The texture of the blood is different to that of the blood on the other side. I believe its possible the rifle did cover that location before the second fired but with less force against the skin due to the curvature of the neck and chin relevant to the rifle.

I would like to do some experiments on this. I wonder if I can purchase an anslutz screw threaded barrel on its own without a gun license?  :-\

Good luck with that!  ::)
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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2016, 03:59:PM »
I take it you are talking about the area I have coloured below?

The texture of the blood is different to that of the blood on the other side. I believe its possible the rifle did cover that location before the second fired but with less force against the skin due to the curvature of the neck and chin relevant to the rifle.

I would like to do some experiments on this. I wonder if I can purchase an anslutz screw threaded barrel on its own without a gun license?  :-\





Instead of purchasing,why not see if you can borrow one.?  Put out your feelers.

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2016, 04:06:PM »
David is not saying the index finger was used for pulling the trigger, he is suggesting she used it to pull the barrel end across her throat.





I didn't read it properly and mistook " index " for trigger-finger. However, I stay by the fact that because her finger remains bent that it either could have been used to pull the trigger or as David had suggested.

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2016, 04:32:PM »
Good luck with that!  ::)

why do you think it will be difficult?

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2016, 05:10:PM »
I copied the photo above of SC's left hand and compared it with a photo I have of SC in the same position. It's obvious to me that the photo above was either taken from a different angle, or has been altered as the rifle in my photo is nowhere near where the David says the blood smears are. Of course David could have perhaps pasted the rifle by the wounds to illustrate his point. Also when I enlarged my photo width wise, it appears that SC's finger is more curved than it shows in my photo.
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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2016, 05:30:PM »
I copied the photo above of SC's left hand and compared it with a photo I have of SC in the same position. It's obvious to me that the photo above was either taken from a different angle, or has been altered as the rifle in my photo is nowhere near where the David says the blood smears are. Of course David could have perhaps pasted the rifle by the wounds to illustrate his point. Also when I enlarged my photo width wise, it appears that SC's finger is more curved than it shows in my photo.
Thanks for that Romeo, looks like Sheila shot herself and pulled the barrel end away all at the same time with the same finger?

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2016, 05:50:PM »
why do you think it will be difficult?

I wasn't talking about getting a screw threaded barrel, I was talking about proving your theory. However, like Lookout suggests, why not try and borrow one?
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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2016, 05:51:PM »
I copied the photo above of SC's left hand and compared it with a photo I have of SC in the same position. It's obvious to me that the photo above was either taken from a different angle, or has been altered as the rifle in my photo is nowhere near where the David says the blood smears are. Of course David could have perhaps pasted the rifle by the wounds to illustrate his point. Also when I enlarged my photo width wise, it appears that SC's finger is more curved than it shows in my photo.

To be fair to David, I think he has altered the photo to make his point.
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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2016, 05:53:PM »
I copied the photo above of SC's left hand and compared it with a photo I have of SC in the same position. It's obvious to me that the photo above was either taken from a different angle, or has been altered as the rifle in my photo is nowhere near where the David says the blood smears are. Of course David could have perhaps pasted the rifle by the wounds to illustrate his point. Also when I enlarged my photo width wise, it appears that SC's finger is more curved than it shows in my photo.

I have cut out the exact image of the barrell in the same photo. I came to this idea by moving the barrell against the wounds. I didn't think I'd have to point this out, its obvious enough

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2016, 05:56:PM »
A very fair answer Caroline.

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2016, 07:35:PM »
I did say it was obvious! Also that David had pasted the rifle in the position we see it to illustrate his point.

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2016, 07:37:PM »
I did say it was obvious! Also that David had pasted the rifle in the position we see it to illustrate his point.

You did indeed!  :)
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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #28 on: August 05, 2016, 07:39:PM »
Thanks for that Romeo, looks like Sheila shot herself and pulled the barrel end away all at the same time with the same finger?
But we can't tell whose hand it was or whose might have been guided. What has been deduced so far from this..

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Re: Bloodstain pattern on Sheila's upper wound
« Reply #29 on: August 05, 2016, 07:48:PM »
My point was, if the rifle was never in the position we see it above, how could the barrel leave a smear of blood on SC's neck  :)