Alex Salmond Rape Charge.

[Steve_uk]

I'll wait until Tuesday for the report of James Hamilton QC.

[guest29835]

I'll wait until Tuesday for the report of James Hamilton QC.

I believe it is all just a disguised power struggle.  As odd as this sounds, a lot of people in the SNP view Nicola Sturgeon as too soft on independence, and even a sort of crypto-unionist.  Many of these are the ones who still keep a light on for Alex Salmond, others are the radical/militant types who want a Scottish Republic yesterday.

I shouldn't be surprised if the British Establishment is behind the whole thing.  The SNP has always been more fissiparous than appearances allow.  I think, in reality, Sturgeon and Salmond are both in the moderate camp and hold a similar idea of independence, which would be something along the lines of a continuing constitutional monarchy and close ties with, even a confederative relationship with, the rump UK.  The issue between them is personal more than substantial.  Making them go to war with each other creates two internecine camps who argue over nothing, which destabilises the devolved system and undermines the SNP.

[guest7363]

She is guilty of a variety of things in connection with this fiasco.  As a minimum there should be resignations, starting with Sturgeon and her husband Murrell, and there should also be prosecutions for perjury, perverting the course of justice and contempt of court.  Sturgeon and her cabal are an utter disgrace and her MPs and MSPs should be ashamed of themselves for condoning it.

100% agree with you NGB.  How can a first minister be trusted again if she either lied or misled Parliament, if there’s been a breach of code then she should resign, the integrity of the Scottish Parliament is at stake.  I see Derek Mackay has finally had the decency to quit the party at last, the whole party is a disgrace.

[Steve_uk]

Did she knowingly mislead or mislead without knowledge..https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-was-saved-by-one-missing-word-in-the-alex-salmond-report-but-this-saga-isnt-over-12250059

[guest7363]

Did she knowingly mislead or mislead without knowledge..https://news.sky.com/story/nicola-sturgeon-was-saved-by-one-missing-word-in-the-alex-salmond-report-but-this-saga-isnt-over-12250059

I think and hope she’s damaged goods Steve, the Hamilton probe might offer a similar finding to the Committee where he doesn’t state the obvious, she will cling on to this in the hope of surviving, but once a leader has lied to Parliament either knowingly or not should go.  At the end of the day Steve A breach is a breach and a misleading of the parliament is a misleading of the parliament, you’ve got three individuals all testifying the something happened.  I don’t think Salmond is finished with her or the situation yet!

[guest29835]

I think and hope she’s damaged goods Steve, the Hamilton probe might offer a similar finding to the Committee where he doesn’t state the obvious, she will cling on to this in the hope of surviving, but once a leader has lied to Parliament either knowingly or not should go.  At the end of the day Steve A breach is a breach and a misleading of the parliament is a misleading of the parliament, you’ve got three individuals all testifying the something happened.  I don’t think Salmond is finished with her or the situation yet!

What specifically is it that she is supposed to have lied to the Scottish Tin Pot Parliament about?  To be honest, the whole thing bores me. 

[guest7363]

I think and hope she’s damaged goods Steve, the Hamilton probe might offer a similar finding to the Committee where he doesn’t state the obvious, she will cling on to this in the hope of surviving, but once a leader has lied to Parliament either knowingly or not should go.  At the end of the day Steve A breach is a breach and a misleading of the parliament is a misleading of the parliament, you’ve got three individuals all testifying the something happened.  I don’t think Salmond is finished with her or the situation yet!

I think anyone who has followed the Salmond case and understands the underhand dealings of the SNP, you only have to look back when they rewrote the Sexual Harassment code, it had one target in mind, it was written to target past Ministers.  When Salmond challenged and won his case it’s been cover up after cover up even withholding evidence by the Crown Office, thus preventing Journalists and the Committee Holding Parliament to account. They won’t be long trying to hold David Davis to account though.

[guest7363]

What specifically is it that she is supposed to have lied to the Scottish Tin Pot Parliament about?  To be honest, the whole thing bores me.

I think to put it in easy terms QC, she lied about her meetings and what she knew over the Salmond sexual harassment case. Her Husband who is the Chief execute officer of the SNP even contradicted her evidence.  At the end of the day they were behind it and even feeding it, even after being warned it had little chance of success.  Scottish Tin Pot Parliament we’ve got Tony Blair to thank for that, first they wanted Devolution, now they’re not satisfied, even after losing a vote for independence they drum it again.

[guest29835]

I think to put it in easy terms QC, she lied about her meetings and what she knew over the Salmond sexual harassment case. Her Husband who is the Chief execute officer of the SNP even contradicted her evidence.  At the end of the day they were behind it and even feeding it, even after being warned it had little chance of success.  Scottish Tin Pot Parliament we’ve got Tony Blair to thank for that, first they wanted Devolution, now they’re not satisfied, even after losing a vote for independence they drum it again.

But why does it matter that she lied about this?  What specifically is it she lied about?

I could lie to you and say you're as handsome as Tom Cruise, but does it matter that I've lied?

[guest7363]

What specifically is it that she is supposed to have lied to the Scottish Tin Pot Parliament about?  To be honest, the whole thing bores me.

I couldn’t give a toss if Scotland won independence, I get sick to the back teeth of hearing the SNP on about it, the SNP and its members hate the English yet are happy to take money from us and use us to suit.  what I do care about is the UK as a whole and the ordinary Scottish people who care about the Uk and are being blindsided by nothing but thugs.

[guest7363]

But why does it matter that she lied about this?  What specifically is it she lied about?

I could lie to you and say you're as handsome as Tom Cruise, but does it matter that I've lied?

Your not lying QC, how can a leader be trusted if they lie to the Country?

The Scottish Ministerial Code defines the standards that Scottish Government ministers are meant to adhere to when in office.

It outlines a code of conduct for the First Minister, Cabinet Secretaries, Law Officers and junior Scottish Ministers, in line with seven “principles of public life” – selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and leadership.

[guest29835]

Your not lying QC, how can a leader be trusted if they lie to the Country?

The Scottish Ministerial Code defines the standards that Scottish Government ministers are meant to adhere to when in office.

It outlines a code of conduct for the First Minister, Cabinet Secretaries, Law Officers and junior Scottish Ministers, in line with seven “principles of public life” – selflessness, integrity, objectivity, accountability, openness, honesty and leadership.

Yes, but what lies has she specifically supposed to have told?  What is it she said that wasn't true?  And who did she say it to?  And what is the significance of these lies?  There are lies and then there are lies. 

If Nicola Sturgeon declared to the Scottish Parliament: "Mike Teskowitz is the most handsome man in Yorkshire.  I know.  I've met him.  Scottish women will swoon as soon as they clap eyes on him."

This would be, most probably, a blatant lie as Mike has probably never met Scotland's First Minister.  But is the lie of any significance?  Of course, if Nicola Sturgeon made a habit of such statements, then questions would arise about her suitability.  We'd question her sanity, apart from anything else.

What I'm getting at is that, even after reading several articles in the mainstream media about it, I'm still not clear what this is all about.  It just comes across to me as a load of exaggerated rubbish.

[ngb1066]

I think to put it in easy terms QC, she lied about her meetings and what she knew over the Salmond sexual harassment case. Her Husband who is the Chief execute officer of the SNP even contradicted her evidence.  At the end of the day they were behind it and even feeding it, even after being warned it had little chance of success.  Scottish Tin Pot Parliament we’ve got Tony Blair to thank for that, first they wanted Devolution, now they’re not satisfied, even after losing a vote for independence they drum it again.

I agree with your assessment RJ

[ngb1066]

I couldn’t give a toss if Scotland won independence, I get sick to the back teeth of hearing the SNP on about it, the SNP and its members hate the English yet are happy to take money from us and use us to suit.  what I do care about is the UK as a whole and the ordinary Scottish people who care about the Uk and are being blindsided by nothing but thugs.

Again I agree with you entirely.

[Steve_uk]

What specifically is it that she is supposed to have lied to the Scottish Tin Pot Parliament about?  To be honest, the whole thing bores me.

She had "forgotten" about a meeting she had had with one of Alex Salmond's advisors four days before the meeting with Salmond himself, which she did recall. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54439758

Of course had Alex Salmond kept his hands to himself and respected women's space he wouldn't have needed to go crawling to Nicola in the first place in an attempt to get the incidents hushed up.