Video re photographs non-disclosure

[Roch]

Wouldn't that lead to MacLeod and Suthurst wondering what they had seen, that they shouldn't have?

Forgot to answer this bit.. but.. yes again. 

If you are EP, what would you rather...

(A) Neglect to snip negatives showing the Pargeter rifle or some other bombshell?

(B) Have some dothery old scout leader muttering on East Anglia local news about there being more negatives missing than when the last photographic expert viewed them?

You can dismiss (B) by hiding behind the fig leaf CCRC and by issuing generic PR statements, saying that EP have 'fully cooperated' etc. 

But you cant dismiss (A) if it ends up being featured in the press.   

[David1819]

Forgot to answer this bit.. but.. yes again. 

If you are EP, what would you rather...

(A) Neglect to snip negatives showing the Pargeter rifle or some other bombshell?

(B) Have some dothery old scout leader muttering on East Anglia local news about there being more negatives missing than when the last photographic expert viewed them?

You can dismiss (B) by hiding behind the fig leaf CCRC and by issuing generic PR statements, saying that EP have 'fully cooperated' etc. 

But you cant dismiss (A) if it ends up being featured in the press.

LMAO

[David1819]

You can dismiss (B) by hiding behind the fig leaf CCRC and by issuing generic PR statements, saying that EP have 'fully cooperated' etc. 

EP did fully cooperate but they cut corners in doing so (literally)

[David1819]

Essex police have given a plausible innocent explanation for the missing strips. And for all we know it could be the correct answer. However considering Essex Polices track record in this case and that this just so happens to involve the location of where the centrepiece of Jeremy's conviction resided. I find it astonishing the CCRC have given Essex police the benefit of the doubt and thus denied it to Jeremy.

[Caroline]

Forgot to answer this bit.. but.. yes again. 

If you are EP, what would you rather...

(A) Neglect to snip negatives showing the Pargeter rifle or some other bombshell?

(B) Have some dothery old scout leader muttering on East Anglia local news about there being more negatives missing than when the last photographic expert viewed them?

You can dismiss (B) by hiding behind the fig leaf CCRC and by issuing generic PR statements, saying that EP have 'fully cooperated' etc. 

But you cant dismiss (A) if it ends up being featured in the press.

Well were A the case, I'm sure they would have snipped away all they had to rather than leave more for Suthurst find. I had they spotted something after MacLeod viewed then, I think they would have gone over them with a fine tooth comb. If someone goes and checks them now - will there be more missing?

[Caroline]

Essex police have given a plausible innocent explanation for the missing strips. And for all we know it could be the correct answer. However considering Essex Polices track record in this case and that this just so happens to involve the location of where the centrepiece of Jeremy's conviction resided. I find it astonishing the CCRC have given Essex police the benefit of the doubt and thus denied it to Jeremy.

So why didn't you back me when I suggested this?

[Roch]

EP did fully cooperate but they cut corners in doing so (literally)

I don't understand this.

Essex police have given a plausible innocent explanation for the missing strips. And for all we know it could be the correct answer.

This just reads like an HG post.  Plausible?  Have you heard of the phrase 'disguised compliance'?  To use it here is to take it out of its original context.. however it seems a more apt description of EP's actions than do 'plausible' and 'innocent'.

Presumably, each time EP checked the negatives prior to handing them over, they successively found further faulty exposures that required removal.  How come they didn't notice them all the first time?

[Roch]

Well were A the case, I'm sure they would have snipped away all they had to rather than leave more for Suthurst find. I had they spotted something after MacLeod viewed then, I think they would have gone over them with a fine tooth comb.

This would take comprehensive case knowledge regarding exactly what to scour the negatives for.   Whereas I think EP have been less knowledgeable and more reactionary. 

If someone goes and checks them now - will there be more missing?

I don't know is the honest answer.  I don't know whether the defence had all the negatives issued to them in 2011 printed at the lab.  If so, it would seem pointless for EP to then remove even more (i.e. of the same strips of negs). 

[Caroline]

I don't understand this.

This just reads like an HG post.  Plausible?  Have you heard of the phrase 'disguised compliance'?  To use it here is to take it out of its original context.. however it seems a more apt description of EP's actions than do 'plausible' and 'innocent'.

Presumably, each time EP checked the negatives prior to handing them over, they successively found further faulty exposures that required removal.  How come they didn't notice them all the first time?

Or the second time or the third time?

[Roch]

Or the second time or the third time?

If their aim was a run of the mill procedural one (i.e. to remove faulty exposures) then they could have dispensed with them in one clean sweep.   Discerning troublesome content is a different matter altogether, requiring an in-depth case knowledge.

[Caroline]

If their aim was a run of the mill procedural one (i.e. to remove faulty exposures) then they could have dispensed with them in one clean sweep.   Discerning troublesome content is a different matter altogether, requiring an in-depth case knowledge.

Just to show I'm not always biased https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/353510/Missing-negatives-of-police-baton-attack-photo-from-1984-Miners-strike-have-vanished

[Roch]

Just to show I'm not always biased https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/353510/Missing-negatives-of-police-baton-attack-photo-from-1984-Miners-strike-have-vanished

Interesting.  Thanks for posting it up.  I was still at school for the miners strike (only just).

[Jon2]

Just to show I'm not always biased https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/353510/Missing-negatives-of-police-baton-attack-photo-from-1984-Miners-strike-have-vanished

Very fair of you .

Allowed to get away with it once ...

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-jury-told-consider-video-10937648

[maggie]

[quote



https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hillsborough-jury-told-consider-video-10937648
[/quote]Surely not Jon2!!!    as if!!!!

[David1819]

So why didn't you back me when I suggested this?

I have only read a fraction of this thread.