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Offline mike tesko

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #60 on: June 23, 2018, 08:52:PM »
Please, how could Jeremy have shot his sister on the second occasion, after 8.44am, or 9.05am, and staged his sisters body as a suicide at that time?
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #61 on: June 23, 2018, 08:54:PM »
Please, how could Jeremy have shot his sister on the second occasion, after 8.44am, or 9.05am, and staged his sisters body as a suicide at that time?

'Impossible'...
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #62 on: June 23, 2018, 09:00:PM »
Let's hit the nail on the head, so to speak - Sheila's body downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am, onwards) according to the contents of the timed police radio log messages, dead, apparently, by way of suicide! Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, alongside the body of June Bamber after 9.05am, as witnessed by DS Stan Jones, and DC Mick Clark, with a rifle resting on the bed in-between both bodies, and a Bible resting on Sheila's chest!

If this be true, Jeremy could not possibly have had anything to do with shooting his sister dead by way of the second shot, and nothing to do her body having been stage managed as a suicide!
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #63 on: June 23, 2018, 09:47:PM »
Let's hit the nail on the head, so to speak - Sheila's body downstairs in the kitchen (7.35am, onwards) according to the contents of the timed police radio log messages, dead, apparently, by way of suicide! Sheila's body laid on top of the bed, alongside the body of June Bamber after 9.05am, as witnessed by DS Stan Jones, and DC Mick Clark, with a rifle resting on the bed in-between both bodies, and a Bible resting on Sheila's chest!

If this be true, Jeremy could not possibly have had anything to do with shooting his sister dead by way of the second shot, and nothing to do her body having been stage managed as a suicide!



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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #64 on: June 23, 2018, 09:54:PM »
I wonder why it was thought to be the body of a woman ? What position would nevill have been in to indicate that he'd looked like a woman ? He wasn't even found lying on the floor was he ?

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #65 on: June 23, 2018, 09:56:PM »
Nevill's size when in the chair would have said it was a man's build ?

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #66 on: June 23, 2018, 10:32:PM »
I wonder why it was thought to be the body of a woman ? What position would nevill have been in to indicate that he'd looked like a woman ? He wasn't even found lying on the floor was he ?
I think because they could only see long straggly hair and I assume not a full view from just peering in gingerly at the window.

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #67 on: June 24, 2018, 12:35:AM »

this is out of sequence, since reference is being made to a police officer looking through the kitchen window prior to entry into the farmhouse, once the police got into the farmhouse, they reported the find of two bodies not one! For example, as per the timed police radio log (3.37am), the raid team found the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a fact repeated at 7.38am, and mention of the two bodies in another police message timed at7.42am, as two dead bodies, referenced at 7.45am, as a murder, and a suicide!

Anybody throwing in reference to the sighting through the kitchen window of Neville Bambers body which was supposedly mistaken for the body of a dead female, a mistake not rectified once the police got into the kitchen, does not stand up to scrutiny because, once the firearms officers entered the kitchen, they still mentioned a presence of two dead bodies, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, a murder, and a suicide! If the sighting of Neville Bambers body through the kitchen window had been true which had led to some sort of confusion  as to the identity of the body in the kitchen, why did members of the firearms team not rectify that mistake at an earlier stage?

Additionally, how was it possible to describe Neville Bambers death as a suicide, by 7.45am?
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #68 on: June 24, 2018, 12:39:AM »
You should not be able to prosecute anybody based purely on speculation!!
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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #69 on: June 24, 2018, 09:18:AM »
I think because they could only see long straggly hair and I assume not a full view from just peering in gingerly at the window.






But there was never a description of the colour of hair. Both women were dark-haired, Nevill had been fair. One of the first descriptions of a person is the colour of their hair. His hair wasn't that long when you see the " silhouetted " outline of him.

Women's hair I'd have described as straggly.

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #70 on: June 24, 2018, 09:22:AM »
I think because they could only see long straggly hair and I assume not a full view from just peering in gingerly at the window.







Also I've said this before that when looking through a window you tend to look across/along and not downwards. If you do look downwards for the reason you can't enter you'd see clearly that it was a man or a woman-----if blocking the entrance.

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #71 on: June 24, 2018, 10:27:AM »





But there was never a description of the colour of hair. Both women were dark-haired, Nevill had been fair. One of the first descriptions of a person is the colour of their hair. His hair wasn't that long when you see the " silhouetted " outline of him.

Women's hair I'd have described as straggly.


I think "straggly" is an eminently accurate description of hair on the head of someone who has been subjected to such a severe beating that their brain has been exposed and blood has flowed. The length of hair which would have fallen forwards, according to the style Nevill favoured, and far removed from the style adopted by members of police, could have been 10-15 inches in length. At first glance it could easily have been mistaken for that of a woman.

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #72 on: June 24, 2018, 10:49:AM »

I think "straggly" is an eminently accurate description of hair on the head of someone who has been subjected to such a severe beating that their brain has been exposed and blood has flowed. The length of hair which would have fallen forwards, according to the style Nevill favoured, and far removed from the style adopted by members of police, could have been 10-15 inches in length. At first glance it could easily have been mistaken for that of a woman.






Firstly,for hair to appear straggly it has to be a certain length or it can't be described in that way. I don't think that Nevill had the hair length that would have " fallen forward ". Older pics gives him the look of having longer length hair but we're talking a few years later,when he was 60 in fact.
IF Nevill's hair had appeared straggly then that would have indicated wet hair-----showered ??
But where was the description ? A person with fair/dark hair ?

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #73 on: June 24, 2018, 10:51:AM »
There was NO other description-------bleeding/injured/on the floor/on a chair ?

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Re: Who was Sheila's accomplice ?
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2018, 10:53:AM »
If the officer saw enough of a person then he'd have been able to describe her/him. It's what they're trained for.