Disturbing Evidence, which confirms that cops handed back silencer to the family

[mike tesko]

That's incorrect. The subject turned to the police searching the gun cupboard because of a theory I came up with to explain the existence of the statement that this entire thread is based upon. Subsequently you and your sidekick then started finding excuses for the police not recovering the moderator. So instead of waisting my time explaining things to you that you already understand yourselves I simply posted your own posts to point out that it's pointless debating with you as you already know the facts of the matter.

Make sense?

Well, the truth of the matter is that Stan Jones did recover a silencer on that first morning of the police investigation, but he did not recover it from the gun cupboard in the den, he took it from the downstairs bathroom where Anthony Pargeters Brno rifle and parker hale silencer and two ammunition magazines for the gun (1 10 shot and a five shot). Stan Jones definitely took the silencer away on that occasion and left it in DCI Jones office at Witham police station - PC Whiddon knows this to be true because he went to collect it because although it was fitted to Anthony Pargetters Brno Rifle, Whiddon wanted to see if it fitted the end of the Anshuzt rifles barrel (it did because it had a universal thread). Ron Cook was in charge of the scene at the time Stan Jones took 'SBJ/1', which was why when on the 13th August 1985 when Stan Jones handed him the silencer without any explanation that Cook assumed it was the one Stan Jones had taken from the scene on the first morning - hence why Cook attached an exhibit label and marked it 'SJ/1' when he took it to the lab' that same date...

Cook did not know that Stan Jones had returned the silencer back at the scene on the 9th August 1985, or that David Boutflour had retrieved it from the gun cupboard on the following day..

[mike tesko]

Well, the truth of the matter is that Stan Jones did recover a silencer on that first morning of the police investigation, but he did not recover it from the gun cupboard in the den, he took it from the downstairs bathroom where Anthony Pargeters Brno rifle and parker hale silencer and two ammunition magazines for the gun (1 10 shot and a five shot). Stan Jones definitely took the silencer away on that occasion and left it in DCI Jones office at Witham police station - PC Whiddon knows this to be true because he went to collect it because although it was fitted to Anthony Pargetters Brno Rifle, Whiddon wanted to see if it fitted the end of the Anshuzt rifles barrel (it did because it had a universal thread). Ron Cook was in charge of the scene at the time Stan Jones took 'SBJ/1', which was why when on the 13th August 1985 when Stan Jones handed him the silencer without any explanation that Cook assumed it was the one Stan Jones had taken from the scene on the first morning - hence why Cook attached an exhibit label and marked it 'SJ/1' when he took it to the lab' that same date...

Cook did not know that Stan Jones had returned the silencer back at the scene on the 9th August 1985, or that David Boutflour had retrieved it from the gun cupboard on the following day..

What has also been confirmed, is that Stan Jones took two photographs of the downstairs bathroom showing Anthony Pargeters Brno Rifle and silencer insitu - but for one reason or another these two photographs are documented as having been 'DESTROYED'...

I wonder why?

[mike tesko]

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[mike tesko]

Now, I keep on insisting that Cops took the silencer ('SBJ/1') from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation - They took it attached to Anthony Pargeters Brno bolt action rifle, There is a police document in my possession dated, 9th August 1985, which describes a rifle in the possession of Essex police as 'A BOLT ACTION .22 Ansholts Rifle', along with its serial No.  137410 , the anshuzt rifle was a .22 semi-automatic weapon...

[mike tesko]

Now, I keep on insisting that Cops took the silencer ('SBJ/1') from the scene on the first morning of the police investigation - They took it attached to Anthony Pargeters Brno bolt action rifle, There is a police document in my possession dated, 9th August 1985, which describes a rifle in the possession of Essex police as 'A BOLT ACTION .22 Ansholts Rifle', along with its serial No.  137410 , the anshuzt rifle was a .22 semi-automatic weapon...

Stan Jones attended the Lab' at Huntingdon on the dates his initials appear on key General Examination Records of Spent cartridges (13th and 18th September, 1985)...

[Reader]

. . . on the first morning of the police investigation . . . 9th August 1985, which describes a rifle . . .

So how does this document suggest that the rifle was seized on the morning of 7th August 1985?

[mike tesko]

So how does this document suggest that the rifle was seized on the morning of 7th August 1985?

I should think it would be obvious, but for the sake of trying to be accurate and specific -

On what date, and where from, did Stan Jones recover his four 'SBJ' exhibits?

Secondly, in the fingerprint report form, it clearly states that:-

Divisional Officer in the Case: D. I.Miller, D.I. Cook

Lucus: white house farm

F. P. Officer in Case: DS Davidson

Date Of Crime: 7th August 1985

Time and Date of Arrival: 9am, 7th August 1985

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Senior Officers took control of the various Crime scenes at the farmhouse at around 9.00am...

The silencer, in question, which was certainly attached to Anthony Pargeters Bruno .22 bolt action rifle at that time, was seized by 'Them'' at this time, and later Stan Jones was requested to return to the scene to collect 'it'.

Next, The aforementioned silencer and Brno rifle was just one of a collection of items that were fingerprinted by DS Davidson, under the same receipt and or disposal reference of 5620, which were all items seized on the first day of the police investigation (7th August 1985)...

Lastly, Stan Jones has never explained in a witness statement when he recovered items SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and SBJ/1...

He attended the scene shortly after 11.30am on the first morning of the police investigation, but miraculously told the COLP investigators that he could not remember why he had returned to the scene at that time, or the reason why he returned on that occasion, or what he did when returning there...

Stan Jones knew why he returned to the scene, he knew what he did, and he knew he seized or took the four exhibits mentioned...

[David1819]

David still hasn't said who these 5 people are who simultaneously had access to Sheila's blood & wanted to disinherit Bamber. I have asked several times since 12.41 this afternoon.

Here.

Why is such an important part of the case not in your "Library"? You shouldnt have to keep asking me for case evidence.

[Adam]

Here.

Why is such an important part of the case not in your "Library"? You shouldnt have to keep asking me for case evidence.

Better very late than never.

Shouldn't you be apologising to the forum for changing stance just so you can goad ?

How did RB, AE, PE & DB have access to Sheila's blood ?

Did SJ have access to Sheila's blood. Just because it was in a police fridge somewhere in Essex doesn't mean he could get to it ?

Why would SJ want Bamber disinherited ?

[Adam]

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Why is such an important part of the case not in your "Library"? You shouldnt have to keep asking me for case evidence.

This is what I was referring to in reply 47 of Mike's 'unseen' thread.

David has provided a document with 5 names on. I beleive it is a genuine document. 

However he knows just putting up a document of 5 names in no way shows how they simultaneously had access to Sheila's blood & wanted Bamber disinherited.

The easy option is to say who approached who, but David has always refused to make this committment.

[David1819]

How did RB, AE, PE & DB have access to Sheila's blood ?

This I have already answered enought times.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8033.msg394832.html#msg394832

I am begining to think you are suffering from Alzheimer's.

[Jane]

This I have already answered enought times.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,8033.msg394832.html#msg394832

I am begining to think you are suffering from Alzheimer's.

David!! Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that somehow they managed to insert blood (and a jam-like blob?), heavily diluted by greater parts of water, into the silencer? There was never a bucket full of blood. There was a bucket containing water into which two pairs of blood-stained knickers had been placed.