Bullets fired and reloading

[Roch]

I can't agree with this I'm afraid. I think the runs on Sheila's arm are from the first shot when she was sitting up, I don't think they're from injuries. The blood on her upper arm trickled to the side when she fell back.

It's difficult to accurately discern from the images on this forum. The runs peter-out from the the dark spots, to somewhere on the underside of Sheila's wrist.  The spots on the wrist and further up her arm are actually quite 'angry' looking.  There is more to the spots than meets the eye (i.e. on the forum images).

[Kaldin]

It's difficult to accurately discern from the images on this forum. The runs peter-out from the the dark spots, to somewhere on the underside of Sheila's wrist.  The spots on the wrist and further up her arm are actually quite 'angry' looking.  There is more to the spots than meets the eye (i.e. on the forum images).

I think the dark spots are where the blood stopped running and pooled - a bit like the dark spots on her neck.

[Roch]

I think the dark spots are where the blood stopped running and pooled - a bit like the dark spots on her neck.

Yes I understand.  This is also the view of David.  However, the nature of the dark spots on her arm/wrist cannot be properly assessed from the low quality images that exist on the forum.  Nor can the wrist runs.  Likewise, the marks/wounds on the back of her hand cannot logically have been formed via the same process as per David argues.  Then in addition as I have mentioned, there are other cuts / nicks in the area of her hand that is supposed to have transferred blood from her neck wound to form the runs on her wrist we are debating. 

[lookout]

Sheila could not have moved after the second shot which was fatal.So how would venous blood be transferred onto her arm from her neck in such a precise nature ? I.E. lines.

[Kaldin]

Sheila could not have moved after the second shot which was fatal.So how would venous blood be transferred onto her arm from her neck in such a precise nature ? I.E. lines.

It couldn't have, the blood on her arm could only have come from the first shot - if it came from a shot at all.

[lookout]

It couldn't have, the blood on her arm could only have come from the first shot - if it came from a shot at all.

This is the question," if it came from a shot at all ". Or if it was even hers ?

[Kaldin]

This is the question," if it came from a shot at all ". Or if it was even hers ?

I think it was her blood, and I don't think it came from an injury, so it must have come from the first shot.

[maggie]

It's difficult to accurately discern from the images on this forum. The runs peter-out from the the dark spots, to somewhere on the underside of Sheila's wrist.  The spots on the wrist and further up her arm are actually quite 'angry' looking.  There is more to the spots than meets the eye (i.e. on the forum images).

I am with you on this Roch, however I can understand it is difficult to believe from the grainy photos on the forum.

[Kaldin]

Mr Vanezis didn't mention any wounds on Sheila's arms though, and he couldn't have missed such injuries.

[lookout]

I think it was her blood, and I don't think it came from an injury, so it must have come from the first shot.

I'm not so sure Kaldin,as even after the first shot IF she'd been lying down,her ability to sit with her head up in order for the blood to drop as it did,would have been severely impaired. As in shock.


   

[Kaldin]

I'm not so sure Kaldin,as even after the first shot IF she'd been lying down,her ability to sit with her head up in order for the blood to drop as it did,would have been severely impaired. As in shock.


   

She wasn't lying down before and after the first shot though - that's how the blood went down her nightdress. If she leaned forward at all, the blood could have dripped onto her arm.

[David1819]

Spurting blood cannot break the skin. 
Spurting blood does not break human skin

Indeed, just as well the skin is not broken 


If you are also referring to these marks on the hand shown below, that's another subject. They look like scratch marks and as expected look very different from the runnels of blood nearby. This I have never disputed

[Caroline]

Yes I understand.  This is also the view of David.  However, the nature of the dark spots on her arm/wrist cannot be properly assessed from the low quality images that exist on the forum.  Nor can the wrist runs.  Likewise, the marks/wounds on the back of her hand cannot logically have been formed via the same process as per David argues.  Then in addition as I have mentioned, there are other cuts / nicks in the area of her hand that is supposed to have transferred blood from her neck wound to form the runs on her wrist we are debating.

Not just David

[lookout]

She wasn't lying down before and after the first shot though - that's how the blood went down her nightdress. If she leaned forward at all, the blood could have dripped onto her arm.

Yes,I remember saying a while back that the first shot was " delivered " while she'd been standing. I say delivered because it hit the jawbone and fragmented. What hasn't been explained is the appx distance that shot had been fired from.

My idea that it had been a defence shot as opposed to it having been self-administered.I've always been of the belief that Sheila had fatally shot herself only the once.

[Kaldin]

Yes,I remember saying a while back that the first shot was " delivered " while she'd been standing. I say delivered because it hit the jawbone and fragmented. What hasn't been explained is the appx distance that shot had been fired from.

My idea that it had been a defence shot as opposed to it having been self-administered.I've always been of the belief that Sheila had fatally shot herself only the once.

The pathology report said both wounds were contact or near contact if that helps.

What do you mean it was a defence shot?