Brett Collins's published interview with The Sun:

[nugnug]

Not at 3am.

sorry Jeremy is expected to know exactly what hes doing at 3 am but Julie isn't.

[Kaldin]

But you are presuming JM knew what he meant re his comment "tonight is the night." You aren't being objective.

Her response of "go back to bed" suggests it was just another night to her and she was unaware of his plans. How can it be perceived any other way?!

And we only have Bambers word that his father had phoned him! What if, as I believe, there was no phone call from NB?

I've just posted her statement which makes it clear she knew exactly what he meant.

[Jane]

as he had been telling her for weeks she had have been bloody thick not of guessed.

and as she dident ask him what by the sentence tonights the night surely she must of known exactly what he ment.

this is of course presuming the storys true.

Forgive me for mentioning it, Nugs, but you seem to be someone who's suspicious of everyone so I expect you would have 'guessed'. I, on the other hand simply wouldn't go down the road of contemplating that my lover -friend, Godson, cousin- would kill members of their family, however arsy they may be with them at times.

[Caroline]

Phoning her didn't give him an alibi though, so I don't know what you mean.

I also don't understand your second question.

Technically no, but it gave the impression that Jeremy was concerned about something happening at the farm

By the way, you didn't answer the question about being a fence sitter? You said you were a fence sitter but like many who claim that, you have only argued from a 'Jeremy is innocent' perspective. What makes you think he might not be?

[Stephanie]

I've just posted her statement which makes it clear she knew exactly what he meant.

Anyway, he said a lot more to Julie during the earlier call - according to Julie, so of course she knew what he meant.

You mean with hindsight?!?!

[guest7363]

You wouldn't want to know what they meant, particularly as they'd been talking about the killing of their family a few hours earlier? That's just weird.

I find it very weird that he chose to phone Julie at all at 3.00am,  esp before phoning the police as per his statement

[Kaldin]

You mean with hindsight?!?!

No, she said she knew what he meant at the time.

I was aware that when he said the word crime he was referring to the killing of his family. I did not believe he could carry it out.

She may well have not believed he would carry it out, but when she received a later call to say something was wrong at the farm, why on earth did she just ignore that?

[Kaldin]

Technically no, but it gave the impression that Jeremy was concerned about something happening at the farm

By the way, you didn't answer the question about being a fence sitter? You said you were a fence sitter but like many who claim that, you have only argued from a 'Jeremy is innocent' perspective. What makes you think he might not be?

I haven't only argued from the perspective that he's innocent. I've probably argued more in favour of that because that's what this forum is for. If it was certain he did it, there would be no point in any of us posting here.

What makes me think he might not be innocent? The fact that he was convicted, the issue of the silencer, Julie's story. I don't know yet if I think she was lying or not, I'm just commenting on her alleged "virtue" in coming forward.

[Jane]

Julie Mugford wasn't a mind reader. It was silly o'clock in the morning and Bamber had just woken her and the rest of the household up.

If Jeremy Bamber really did receive a telephone call from his father stating what he alleged why would he be phoning JM?

You are doing it again; you are putting the emphasis on JM.

Neville allegedly called Jeremy. The responsibility of that call therefore lay with Jeremy. Only he was privy to the alleged call, it's content and any inflection

Anyway, I thought you suggested in previous posts that Jeremy was cooling things off with Julie?

This is being done constantly. Supporters are determined to put the gun in Julie's hand by whatever means possible.

[Stephanie]

No, she said she knew what he meant at the time.

She may well have not believed he would carry it out, but when she received a later call to say something was wrong at the farm, why on earth did she just ignore that?

Why do you appear to be holding JM to account for Jeremy Bambers crimes? This is clearly clouding your judgement. You are being bias and aren't looking at all angles.

How do any of us know whether or not he'd used this phrase to her before? This could have been something he told her during numerous telephone calls prior to the night of the murders.

Why on earth didn't Bamber phone 999? Why on earth didn't he get in his car and get his backside over to WHF to find out?

[Kaldin]

Julie Mugford wasn't a mind reader. It was silly o'clock in the morning and Bamber had just woken her and the rest of the household up.

If Jeremy Bamber really did receive a telephone call from his father stating what he alleged why would he be phoning JM?

You are doing it again; you are putting the emphasis on JM.

Neville allegedly called Jeremy. The responsibility of that call therefore lay with Jeremy. Only he was privy to the alleged call, it's content and any inflection

Anyway, I thought you suggested in previous posts that Jeremy was cooling things off with Julie?

No, she wasn't a mind reader, which is why she would have asked what he meant and what had happened. She had to get out of bed to speak to him on the phone, and she knew what he'd been talking about earlier. Was he in the habit of ringing her at that time in the morning. If not, then why on earth would you just dismiss such a call?

I didn't suggest that Jeremy was cooling things off with Julie - it was Adam who said that.

[Adam]

You wouldn't want to know what they meant, particularly as they'd been talking about the killing of their family a few hours earlier? That's just weird.

Not at 3am.

[guest7363]

Why do you appear to be holding JM to account for Jeremy Bambers crimes? This is clearly clouding your judgement. You are being bias and aren't looking at all angles.

How do any of us know whether or not he'd used this phrase to her before? This could have been something he told her during numerous telephone calls prior to the night of the murders.

Why on earth didn't Bamber phone 999? Why on earth didn't he get in his car and get his backside over to WHF to find out?

Quite true Stephanie, he didn't phone 999 because he had no idea how long the police would take, he wanted the police to arrive first, phoning a police station would have given him a idea how long they would take from Witham or Chelmsford.

[Adam]

No, she wasn't a mind reader, which is why she would have asked what he meant and what had happened. She had to get out of bed to speak to him on the phone, and she knew what he'd been talking about earlier. Was he in the habit of ringing her at that time in the morning. If not, then why on earth would you just dismiss such a call?

I didn't suggest that Jeremy was cooling things off with Julie - it was Adam who said that.

I said Bamber testified the relationship had been coming to a close over 6 months.

Anyway, you believe Julie shouldn't have worn a veil at the funeral & should have reacted differently when Bamber rang her at 3am.

The best thing is for Bamber not to ring Julie at 3am. He had more important things to do.

[Kaldin]

Why do you appear to be holding JM to account for Jeremy Bambers crimes? This is clearly clouding your judgement. You are being bias and aren't looking at all angles.

How do any of us know whether or not he'd used this phrase to her before? This could have been something he told her during numerous telephone calls prior to the night of the murders.

Why on earth didn't Bamber phone 999? Why on earth didn't he get in his car and get his backside over to WHF to find out?

I'm holding her to account for covering up his crime - assuming she told the truth in the end. I don't think I'm being biased. I've explained my reasoning for holding her to account several times.

She didn't say that he'd phoned her in the early hours before to say that it was tonight or never.

If Jeremy is telling the truth, he might have been afraid to go to the farm on his own. After all, he would have thought that Sheila had the gun and that she might shoot him.

I've also questioned why he didn't phone 999. I've also suggested that if he did ring his own home from the farm and he thought that the call could be traced re the timing of that call, he needed a reason why it took him 15 minutes or so to call the police - ie, the time it took him to get home. A reason could be that he had to find the phone directory and look up the number. You see? I'm not biased.