Yvonne Hartley

[lookout]

  Sad isn't it ?

[David1819]

and if somebody does bother to refute it ignore them and post it agian.

And again and again and again.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEhS9Y9HYjU

[Adam]

When the reality is it's been made up by yourself. Published nowhere other than your own posts.

How to make a list of 50 pieces like Adam.

Step 1: Take 10 pieces of outdated and refuted evidence.

Step 2: Turn those 10 pieces into bullshit by claiming they are undisputed.

Step 3: Turn those 10 pieces of Bullshit into 40 by rewording those 10 pieces of bullshit 4 times over.

Step 4: Sprincle 10 pieces of factual evidence that don't prove anything in order to make the other 40 pieces of bullshit look honest.

Done.

It's actually 63 pieces now. Please correct me if Bamber has disputed any of them -

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. .

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY.

No better massacre weapon options - Not disputed - FORUM.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS.

June not waking/getting shot in bed - Not disputed - COA.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.

June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.

The found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

Housekeeper evidence of items around the sink being moved - Not disputed- WS, WILKES'S BOOK.

[Adam]

and if somebody does bother to refute it ignore them and post it agian.

Keep up the conspiracy theories.

A killer hiding in the loft theory, the killer climbing through Nevill's bedroom window theory & whether Claire Powell knew Brett Collins will get Bamber released soon.

[David1819]

It's actually 62 pieces now. Please correct me if Bamber has disputed any of them -

Perfectly clean palm of hands on Sheila - Not disputed - COA

One blood mark on back of hand of Sheila - Not disputed - COA

Extremley low levels of lead found on hands on Sheila.  Not consistent with handling a rifle. Significantly higher traces expected - Not disputed - COA

Well manicured nails on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No broken nails - Not disputed COA.

Nails in tact - Not disputed - COA.

No marks or indentations on Sheila's fingers - Not disputed - COA.

No blood on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No dirt on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

No powder on finger tips - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE, BAMBER.

No trace of any lead dust coating on Sheila - Not disputed - COA.

No traces of the lubricant from re loading twice - Not disputed - COA

Very clean feet - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Feet free from significant blood staining - Disputed with one picture of foot with redness - COA.

Bamber doing nothing between 3.10am - 3.26/36am - Not disputed - BAMBER

No debris such as sugar on feet - Not disputed - COA.

No foot injuries after bare footed aggressive movement around big house & brutal fight - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Only Sheila Caffell's blood on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No presence of firearm residue on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No trace of rifle oil on nightdress - Not disputed - COA.

No mention of nightdress damage from agressive movement and brutal kitchen fight - Not disputed - COA.

No facial injuries on Sheila - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Bamber/Sheila avoiding kitchen fight injuries - Not disputed - FORUM.

Nevill's massive height/weight advantage over Sheila - Not disputed - ACCEPTED FACT.

Impossibility of shower removing evidence off Sheila - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Impossibility of Sheila showering after killing herself - Not disputed - SCIENTIFIC FACT.

Nevill being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Sheila being found bare footed in pyjamas suggesting she had just got out of bed - Not disputed - PHOTOS.

Paint in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES. .

Aga scratch's - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Blood in silencer - Not disputed but suggestion from Bamber cousins did this - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

No blood in the rifle end - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila's legs pulled after second shot - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's blood underneath the bible - Not disputed - COA.

A lot of blood on Nevill's side of the bed - Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Large scale multiple mental & physical effects of Haloperidol - Not disputed. - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Sheila having Haloperidol in her body - Not disputed - COA.

Sheila's condition hours before the massacre - Not disputed. Bamber being a main witness - BAMBER & OTHER PEOPLE.

Sheila under sedation - Not disputed - COA.

Easy window entrance into WHF - Not disputed. Agreed by Bamber. - BAMBER.

Shutting kitchen window from outside - Disputed but 20 independent sources prove otherwise - 20 SOURCES IN THE LIBRARY.

No better massacre weapon options - Not disputed - FORUM.

Professor Herbert Leon Mcdonell - Not disputed after Bamber hired him - WILKES'S BOOK.

Items around the kitchen window being moved after housekeeper had left - Not disputed - WILKES'S BOOK.

Easy bike routes to WHF - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bike brought to Bamber's cottage just before the massacre - Not disputed - BAMBERS POLICE INTERVIEWS.

June not waking/getting shot in bed - Not disputed - COA.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed. Suggestion burns were caused minus silencer rejected - BAMBER.

2012 CCRC court judgement - judicial review request made & rejected - JUDICIAL REVIEW DOCUMENT.

The twins not waking - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Bamber's call to the police - Not disputed - NUMEROUS SOURCES.

Nevill's horrific injuries - Not disputed - COURT OF APPEAL.

Sheila's time limits - Not disputed - POLICE STATEMENTS.

No valid Sheila scenario - Not disputed - OS & FORUM.

Bamber's 3am call to Julie - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Nevill's 2/4 second call to Bamber - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bamber asking the police to pick him up - Not disputed - WILKES, CRIMES, HEARTS & CORONETS.

Nevill's back burns - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Ease for a man to lift & carry a woman - Not disputed. YOUTUBE VIDEO.

Crime scenes of 5 individuals - Not disputed - COA.

June & the twins not waking - Not disputed - COA.

The found hacksaw - Not disputed - BAMBER.

Bible on Sheila's arm- Not disputed - PHOTOGRAPHS.

Execution period 12am - 3am - Not disputed - BAMBER

How to make a list of 62 pieces like Adam.

Step 1: Take 10 pieces of outdated and refuted evidence.

Step 2: Turn those 10 pieces into bullshit by claiming they are undisputed.

Step 3: Turn those 10 pieces of Bullshit into 50 by rewording those 10 pieces of bullshit fives times over.

Step 4: Sprincle 10 pieces of factual evidence that don't prove anything in order to make the other 50 pieces of bullshit look honest.

Step 5: Make up four more pieces of bullshit

Step 6: Make up a source for each piece of Bullshit by misquoting or misattributing the infomation to a any particular person.

Done.

[Adam]

How David shows Bamber is innocent -

Step 1:

Create a forensic evidence breakthrough but not say what it is.


Step 2:

Create his own diagrams of bouncing bullets.


Step 3:

Say RB & Julie imagined MM between them.


Step 4:

Say Bamber has wriiten 6 letters to him but refuse to post them.


Step 5:

Create 5 Sheila scenarios because the other 4 were rubbish (so was the 5th).


Step 6:

Say he had a meeting with Bamber's legal advisors which he cycled to.


Step 7:

Deny ever being a guilter.


Step 8:

Say the COA is not a valid source because it was in 2002 ?


Step 9:

Claim Julie should have been wired up after splitting up with Bamber.


Step 10:

Say he is are going to submit 3D diagrams of the kitchen fight & devolpments on the aga scratches. Then don't.



Does anyone want another 10 ?

[Adam]

You do ? Ok here is another 10 from David -

Change stance because of one post from Scipio.

Say it takes 100 minutes to walk 3 miles.

Say it takes 30 minutes longer to walk 3 miles in the dark.

Make up something & believe putting up a picture of Ricky Gervaise will mean the other poster won't bother checking.

Say there are sources that the police moved the bible onto Sheila's arm before photos were taken. But not provide them.

Say the relatives could get Sheila's blood from wet clothes in a bucket.

Say the police didn't tell Bamber about Nevill's call to the police so they could frame him.

Dispute 6 out of 62 pieces of sourced forensic evidence & forget about the other 56 pieces.

Argue that a 999 call was made from WHF at 6.09am.

Say the conviction was due to 'forgery & perjury'. Then say it wasn't.

[lookout]

You're getting more desperate by the day it's embarrassing.

If you want answers try the legal team at CT.

[David1819]

That isn't evidence, that BS you cobble together from grainy old pictures  . You have just prived my point!

My photos are not grainy at all. In fact they are so good I can even see the spots on Sheila's feet as you already know! 

As to the red forum stuff, you told Adam you changed your mind in 2015!

Why do you assume I posted it the second I found it 

[David1819]

You do ? Ok here is another 10 from David -

Change stance because of one post from Scipio.

Say it takes 100 minutes to walk 3 miles.

Say it takes 30 minutes longer to walk 3 miles in the dark.

Make up something & believe putting up a picture of Ricky Gervaise will mean the other poster won't bother checking.

Say there are sources that the police moved the bible onto Sheila's arm before photos were taken. But not provide them.

Say the relatives could get Sheila's blood from wet clothes in a bucket.

Say the police didn't tell Bamber about Nevill's call to the police so they could frame him.

Dispute 6 out of 62 pieces of sourced forensic evidence & forget about the other 56 pieces.

Argue that a 999 call was made from WHF at 6.09am.

Say the conviction was due to 'forgery & perjury'. Then say it wasn't.

[David1819]

You do ? Ok here is another 10 from David -

Say it takes 100 minutes to walk 3 miles.

Say it takes 30 minutes longer to walk 3 miles in the dark.

I didn't just say it. I also backed my claim up (with the help of the google maps) and maths

If Jeremy walked back. That is a 1 hour and 25 minutes walk. That is assuming Jeremy is going by the average daytime walking speed on a flat surface. Once you apply Naismith's rule/Aitken corrections you are looking at a 1 hour and fifty-five minute walk from WHF back to Goldhanger. Making Sheila's TOD over 8 hours from when the photos were taken. Proving his innocence even more.

Not to mention all the time it will take Jeremy to put the silencer away, stage everything, construct his blood dam, put the coat over the mantle scratches and then climb outside to rearrange the items on the window seal before walking off.

[Adam]

70~ minute walk by day 100~ minute walk by night.

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[David1819]

Say there are sources that the police moved the bible onto Sheila's arm before photos were taken. But not provide them.

That has been posted on here enough times. Why is such an important document not in your 'library'?

Say the relatives could get Sheila's blood from wet clothes in a bucket.

I didn't say that. They did! Read the trial transcipts

Say the police didn't tell Bamber about Nevill's call to the police so they could frame him.

Argue that a 999 call was made from WHF at 6.09am.

I never said any of that as you already know. This is an attempt to smear me that no one is buying.

Dispute 6 out of 62 pieces of sourced forensic evidence & forget about the other 56 pieces.

That's because you only listed 6 pieces. The other 56 were either the same 6 pieces reworded 8 times over combined with a dozen facts that don't prove anything to give credence to the bullshit.

[Caroline]

My photos are not grainy at all. In fact they are so good I can even see the spots on Sheila's feet as you already know! 

Why do you assume I posted it the second I found it 

Because you can't help trying to set yourself up as an expert on EVERYTHING. You mock Adam but your claims are not superior!

[Adam]

Obviously I've touched a nerve with David.

Both with the 62 pieces of 'sourced' evidence & me quoting the made up BS he has created. Which he's now trying to defend.

I'm not sure how he can accuse me of posting BS when I post the 62 pieces of forensic evidence.  It's all published evidence which I've given 62 sources for. 

But appreciate David will focus on me rather than the 62 pieces & their sources.

With so much evidence against Bamber it is creepy that David supports him, let alone changed stance. I know Lookout needs a purpose & Nugs is a conspiracy theorist. What's David's reason, one post from Scipio ?