Reason to believe cops shot Sheila, and how her blood ended up inside Silencer!

[lookout]

I wouldn't dream of suggesting he didn't. Since when did it become illegal for any citizen to contact their MP? I've done it myself. You will undoubtedly, also know how little time each MP has to ask questions. If all MP's voiced all of their constituents' concerns it would take them into the next Parliament. There appears to be documentation here about just about anything. It's validity/authenticity, as you're probably aware, is another thing. Priti Patel undoubtedly knows the family. I imagine they contribute/work hard for the Party. It might though, be worth considering that she was hardly born in 1885. She probably does understand their grievances. "Sharing" them, I believe, is hardly likely. I think it has to be remembered that Jeremy Bamber isn't at the forefront of MOST peoples' minds.

I don't even know who my MP is.In fact I'm constantly bombarded with letters,etc by the MP of the opposition more than anyone,although I do know that she helps and has helped on a personal level.

I'm now looking for the verification of the reason for the continued upgrade in JB's cat. as it was at the request of RWB as again I know it's here somewhere.

I might be ancient,but I don't know anyone who was born in 1885. That's nearly as bad as my great grandson's reply when I told him I remembered the dinosaurs and he answered WOW,did you ? Not a laughing matter.

[Jane]

I don't even know who my MP is.In fact I'm constantly bombarded with letters,etc by the MP of the opposition more than anyone,although I do know that she helps and has helped on a personal level.

I'm now looking for the verification of the reason for the continued upgrade in JB's cat. as it was at the request of RWB as again I know it's here somewhere.

I might be ancient,but I don't know anyone who was born in 1885. That's nearly as bad as my great grandson's reply when I told him I remembered the dinosaurs and he answered WOW,did you ? Not a laughing matter.

  Oooops!!! No, she definitely wasn't born in 1885!!! I'll accept that you weren't either 1895?

[guest7363]

I don't even know who my MP is.In fact I'm constantly bombarded with letters,etc by the MP of the opposition more than anyone,although I do know that she helps and has helped on a personal level.

I'm now looking for the verification of the reason for the continued upgrade in JB's cat. as it was at the request of RWB as again I know it's here somewhere.

I might be ancient,but I don't know anyone who was born in 1885. That's nearly as bad as my great grandson's reply when I told him I remembered the dinosaurs and he answered WOW,did you ? Not a laughing matter.

Its just been on Sky news Lookout, missing link to Jurassic park Dinosaurs found?  It's not you is it Lookout? 

[lookout]

Its just been on Sky news Lookout, missing link to Jurassic park Dinosaurs found?  It's not you is it Lookout?

You never know,justice. Stranger things have happened.

[lookout]

  Oooops!!! No, she definitely wasn't born in 1885!!! I'll accept that you weren't either 1895?

It's not 1895 either.

Found the reference for the downgrade,NGB had posted that " Representations were made to the Home Secretary by the family's MP who'd acted on their behalf " POST 30-May 12th 2013.

[Jane]

It's not 1895 either.

Found the reference for the downgrade,NGB had posted that " Representations were made to the Home Secretary by the family's MP who'd acted on their behalf " POST 30-May 12th 2013.

Not for a moment am I denying the possibility, Lookout, but the 'fault'  lay with which ever authority took it upon themselves to promote a CAT A lifer, without hope of parole, to a CAT B, which, if I understand correctly, is given to those with lesser sentences OR those near to being released.

[lookout]

Not for a moment am I denying the possibility, Lookout, but the 'fault'  lay with which ever authority took it upon themselves to promote a CAT A lifer, without hope of parole, to a CAT B, which, if I understand correctly, is given to those with lesser sentences OR those near to being released.

The Home Office again.They decide on a prisoners category,probably because they'd thought that JB wasn't the high-risk that they'd anticipated him to be,but because the relatives had objected,it was increased again,after 3 months.
Which proved at the time the amount of weight the relatives carried regarding the justice system.

[JackiePreece]

Of course, when you speak about "the relatives", you're referring to those of 30+ years ago, whose grandchildren may now be those responsible for the day to day running of the business. As parents, whatever it is that YOU insist they've done, I think it highly unlikely that, having seen their children working hard to take the business forward -the Osea site is quite spectacular, I believe- they'll be doing anything soon to put their grandchildren's futures in jeopardy. As for blaming Julie!!!? The poor girl was YEARS younger than the youngest family member who was involved. Apart from which, you haven't given ANY valid or plausible reason as to why the police would want to frame an innocent man when they had a culprit who wasn't going to make noises about an MoJ.

If it comes to light any of the family has perfected the course of justice they must each one face the most severe sentances ever handed out.  You cannot put a price on an innocent man being in prison for over 30 years and not being able to have a family himself. I will have to ask NGB but I think the harshest sentance for perverting the course of justice is a life sentance

[Jane]

The Home Office again.They decide on a prisoners category,probably because they'd thought that JB wasn't the high-risk that they'd anticipated him to be,but because the relatives had objected,it was increased again,after 3 months.
Which proved at the time the amount of weight the relatives carried regarding the justice system.

Really, Lookout, this isn't entirely fair, is it now? The presiding judge told Jeremy, at the time he handed him a MINIMUM of 25 years, that it remained to be seen whether it was ever considered that he was safe to be released. You can't blame the relatives for that. I can only think he was promoted in error. Lifers with no hope of release aren't given that sort of promotion. I don't think it has anything to do with individual prison governors. Their orders come from higher up.

[JackiePreece]

I can't see prison happening.

We totally disagree on this point Lookout

[JackiePreece]

It's not 1895 either.

Found the reference for the downgrade,NGB had posted that " Representations were made to the Home Secretary by the family's MP who'd acted on their behalf " POST 30-May 12th 2013.

More importantly is the reason Jeremy was downgraded so soon

[JackiePreece]

Really, Lookout, this isn't entirely fair, is it now? The presiding judge told Jeremy, at the time he handed him a MINIMUM of 25 years, that it remained to be seen whether it was ever considered that he was safe to be released. You can't blame the relatives for that. I can only think he was promoted in error. Lifers with no hope of release aren't given that sort of promotion. I don't think it has anything to do with individual prison governors. Their orders come from higher up.

Once again you can only think JB was downgraded in error
Yet you have not got a shred of evidence to back this comment up
Lookout is right you are desperate for JB to be guilt

[JackiePreece]

Really, Lookout, this isn't entirely fair, is it now? The presiding judge told Jeremy, at the time he handed him a MINIMUM of 25 years, that it remained to be seen whether it was ever considered that he was safe to be released. You can't blame the relatives for that. I can only think he was promoted in error. Lifers with no hope of release aren't given that sort of promotion. I don't think it has anything to do with individual prison governors. Their orders come from higher up.

Have you got any other bright ideas why the JB category was downgraded

[Caroline]

If it comes to light any of the family has perfected the course of justice they must each one face the most severe sentances ever handed out.  You cannot put a price on an innocent man being in prison for over 30 years and not being able to have a family himself. I will have to ask NGB but I think the harshest sentance for perverting the course of justice is a life sentance

The they should be applauded 

[Caroline]

With respect - relatives and original, senior police officers involved, would be aware of said reasons.  Why should I have to explain the motivations and/or criminal decisions of others?  Why would I be privy to such information anyway?   You should seek your answers in such matters from people who were at the business end of proceedings in 85/86 etc.

Vic used to post on here that the 'relatives are no fan of Julie Mugford'.  This indicates the alleged level contempt from the relatives towards her.  Yet to me, she seems a pawn caught between Stan Jones / Ainsley / Simpson and the relatives themselves.

If you and others let the relatives off the hook - and allow the blame to be placed upon police and Julie - you and others will be doing the truth a great disservice.   

All relevant components should be apportioned blame.  Relatives - Police - Julie - justice system etc.   

That is my point.

No one is saying your should explain the motivations of others but in order to put meat on what you are saying, there needs to be reason behind why these individuals would put themselves in such a position. They had the means (I guess) and also the opportunity but what your explanation lacks, is 'motive'. Jeremy had all three means (access the guns and the victims) motive (financial gain) opportunity (they were all sitting ducks at WHF).