The forensic evidence shows 100% the silencer was used. But not by Sheila.

[Adam]

Well the 2002 appeal said Sheila revieved contact or near contact shots. Wasn't there a mark on her neck suggesting a rifle or silencer contact shot ? I prefer to believe it was a silencer contact shot. Why ? Well her blood is in the silencer !

45. Sheila Caffell was also dressed in her nightwear and bare-footed. She had received two contact or near contact bullet wounds to her throat. The higher of the two wounds would have killed her almost instantaneously. The lower of the two would have been a fatal injury but not one where death would have occurred immediately and a person having suffered such an injury may have been able to stand up and walk around for a little time. The lack of heavy blood staining to Sheila Caffell's nightdress suggested that this had not happened here. The lower of the two injuries must have been the first since it had led to haemorrhaging inside the neck and this would not have occurred to the same extent if the other wound, which would have been immediately fatal, had preceded it. Dr Vanezis gave evidence that the nature of the blood stains to the nightdress suggested that Sheila Caffell was sitting up when she received both injuries. After the second injury she would have immediately fallen back. There was no evidence of any other mark or injury to Sheila Caffell's body such as might be suffered during a fight or in a scuffle.

[lookout]

I think those burns were caused by a lighted cigar. The circumference would match that of a cigar as I've seen cigarette burns looking just the same but smaller.

[Jane]

I think those burns were caused by a lighted cigar. The circumference would match that of a cigar as I've seen cigarette burns looking just the same but smaller.

So Sheila was firing Bonnie and Clyde style, was she? A cigar hanging from the corner of her mouth? OR did she perhaps, run back upstairs to get them from a hiding place, OR was she in the habit of smoking them all the time when she was at the farm? I don't recall any mention of cigars/stubs being found, do you?

[guest2181]

Yet in the photographs of the gun cupboard it shows the door is open. Hardly an attempt to conceal anything.

The image you are referring to, with the shotgun leaning against wall was not taken by Bird as part of the crime scene images.

[lookout]

So Sheila was firing Bonnie and Clyde style, was she? A cigar hanging from the corner of her mouth? OR did she perhaps, run back upstairs to get them from a hiding place, OR was she in the habit of smoking them all the time when she was at the farm? I don't recall any mention of cigars/stubs being found, do you?

Now you're being silly. Sheila was partial to a cigar.Wasn't she once found lolling in a chair,puffing away on one when the social worker called ?
She'd very obviously been pausing in between shoots to have burned her father's arm. I'd have said he was either dead at the time,or certainly close to it because a burn blisters in no time except when a person is close to death or dead when that function is no longer possible.
Cigar stubs by there very nature take up room on an ash tray,so naturally with an Aga in front of you,you'd dispose of them that way wouldn't you ?

[Adam]

Now you're being silly. Sheila was partial to a cigar.Wasn't she once found lolling in a chair,puffing away on one when the social worker called ?
She'd very obviously been pausing in between shoots to have burned her father's arm. I'd have said he was either dead at the time,or certainly close to it because a burn blisters in no time except when a person is close to death or dead when that function is no longer possible.
Cigar stubs by there very nature take up room on an ash tray,so naturally with an Aga in front of you,you'd dispose of them that way wouldn't you ?

Bamber,  the Arizona experts and the 2002 appeal must be wrong then.

The burn marks were from a cigar. Which had the exact same shape as a rifle/silencer nozzle.

I don't know why you are bringing up cigars. Even guilters such as me are agreeing the burn marks may have been caused with the rifle minus the silencer. However that in no way negates the mountain of forensic evidence that shows the silencer was used for the massacre.

[lookout]

Don't forget too that Sheila had leaned and relied on her father a lot for support. We don't know how many times she'd ring him during the night/early hours just to talk to him,but when that support ended as June became ill again,Sheila must have felt as though he no longer cared because he was now offering his support in helping his wife. Neville would have felt like the go-between that night as heated discussions were going on and had he realised that the situation was to get worse,he should have rang for a doctor,but it was too late.
Sally Pook,a reporter at that time,for the Telegraph had said that when Neville rang for the police he'd told them that Sheila was shooting the family. Was this information from the police ??

[lebaleb]

The image you are referring to, with the shotgun leaning against wall was not taken by Bird as part of the crime scene images.

Who took that one?