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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3540 on: July 27, 2016, 10:15:PM »
That poor body in the pic looked as stiff as a board,so how would anyone get on with arranging his clothing ?
In fact,going by the pics of the two women,I'd have said that Neville had been dead for quite some time before them.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3541 on: July 27, 2016, 10:19:PM »
Essex police found themselves at a cross roads by 6th to 11th September, 1985...

Did they continue with 'the four murders and a suicide' investigation, and risk incorporating themselves in a massive deception and cover up, or did they run with the alternative scenario, that Sheila did not kill herself, because whoever killed her, removed the silencer after killing her, and staged her body with the rifle, minus the silencer to make it appear like she had taken her own life?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3542 on: July 27, 2016, 10:22:PM »
Essex police found themselves at a cross roads by 6th to 11th September, 1985...

Did they continue with 'the four murders and a suicide' investigation, and risk incorporating themselves in a massive deception and cover up, or did they run with the alternative scenario, that Sheila did not kill herself, because whoever killed her, removed the silencer after killing her, and staged her body with the rifle, minus the silencer to make it appear like she had taken her own life?

Faced with the inevitable consequences, Essex police decided upon the latter course of action...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3543 on: July 27, 2016, 10:26:PM »
No-one should ever underestimate the 'inevitable consequences' of any act of deception...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3544 on: July 27, 2016, 10:28:PM »
No-one should ever underestimate the 'inevitable consequences' of any act of deception...

In the instant case, 'Essex police's got to clever to their own good...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3545 on: July 27, 2016, 10:42:PM »
What do I mean, when I say they were 'two clever, for their own good'?

They botched the attempt to merge the different silencers into the same one. In particular, they attributed the blood group evidence to the 'wrong' silencer ('DRB/1') which was not sent to the lab' to be checked for blood for the first time until the 20th September, 1985. 'DRB/1', was not the same silencer removed from the scene by 'Stan' Jones, on the 7th August, 1985 ('SBJ/1), nor was it the same silencer 'SJ/1' which 'Glynis' Howard examined on the 13th August, 1985. Neither was it the same silencer ('DB/1') sent back to the lab' on the 30th August, 1985, inside which was eventually found the crucial small flake of dried blood, from which subsequently produced blood group evidence was obtained between the 12th to 19th September, 1985...

'DRB/1', was not sent to the lab' until 'after' the blood group evidence had already been obtained from examination of the flake taken from the other ('DB/1') silencer, some eight days or so, 'before' silencer 'DRB/1' arrived at the lab'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3546 on: July 27, 2016, 11:13:PM »
Police Inspector 'Bob' Miller was given the task of trying to produce a paper trail which would merge all of the different silencer references ('SBJ/1', 'SJ/1', 'DB/1', and 'DRB/1') into the same one. He would have succeeded but for one rather simple but fatal miscalculation which blows the conspiracy right out of the water - the silencer upon which was pinned so much damning evidence, in the form of blood group activity, and red paint from the kitchen aga, did not arrive at the Lab' (20th September, 1985) until it was too late for what they wanted everyone to believe, to have been true...
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 11:14:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3547 on: July 27, 2016, 11:23:PM »

Maggie, Adam seems to hold the thought in his head that if HE believes 'IT' happened, ergo, 'IT' happened but gives no thought as to HOW. If poor Nevill was SO incapacitated, it's doubtful he'd have been sitting up straight -more slumped forward, thus tightening the jacket and making it harder to raise from the waist. I guess it does rather conjure up a comic picture.
I just find it difficult to imagine how anyone could have held the pyjama top up above the shoulders while holding the gun in the appropriate position . It would take 3 hands wouldn't it?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3548 on: July 27, 2016, 11:31:PM »
Police Inspector 'Bob' Miller was given the task of trying to produce a paper trail which would merge all of the different silencer references ('SBJ/1', 'SJ/1', 'DB/1', and 'DRB/1') into the same one. He would have succeeded but for one rather simple but fatal miscalculation which blows the conspiracy right out of the water - the silencer upon which was pinned so much damning evidence, in the form of blood group activity, and red paint from the kitchen aga, did not arrive at the Lab' (20th September, 1985) until it was too late for what they wanted everyone to believe, to have been true...

The list of named Conspirators, included:-

The eight man raid team
PS Adams
PI Montgomery
DCI Gibbons
DCI Harris
DCI Wright
DI Cook
PC Bird
DC Hammersley
DS Davidson
DS Eastwood
DCI Jones
DS Jones
DC Clark
PC Carr
PI Miller
ACC Simpson
Glynis Howard
John Hayward
Malcolm Fletcher
B. R. Elliot
David About flour
Ann Eaton
Robert About flour
Peter Eaton
Anthony Pargeter
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3549 on: July 27, 2016, 11:38:PM »
Key dates, in the history of the silencers:-

(a) 7th August 1985 ('SBJ/1') DS Jones returns to scene to collect
(b) 9th August 1985 (keys to whf handed over to relatives)
(c) 10th August 1985 (relatives recovered two silencers from scene)
(d) 12th August 1985 (Peter Eaton, hands a silencer over to DS Jones)
(e) 13th August 1985 ('SJ/1') human and animals blood detected
(f) 15th August 1985 ('SJ/1' fingerprinted by oblique light test)
(g) 23rd August 1975 ('SJ/1' fingerprinted by super glue technique)
(h) 29th August 1985 ('SJ/1' dismantled, rebuilt by DI Cook)
(I) 30th August 1985 ('DB/1') sent to lab', flake found inside it
(j) 11th September 1985 Ann Eaton hands over 'DRB/1' to DC Oakey
(k) 12th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1'
(l) 13th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1' (DS Eastwood/DS Davidson fingerprint 'DRB/1')
(m) 18th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1'
(n) 19th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1'
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(o) 20th September 1985 ('DRB/1') sent to lab' to be checked for blood (red paint from aga ingrained in end caps knurl)
« Last Edit: July 27, 2016, 11:59:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3550 on: July 28, 2016, 12:06:AM »
Key dates, in the history of the silencers:-

(a) 7th August 1985 ('SBJ/1') DS Jones returns to scene to collect
(b) 9th August 1985 (keys to whf handed over to relatives)
(c) 10th August 1985 (relatives recovered two silencers from scene)
(d) 12th August 1985 (Peter Eaton, hands a silencer over to DS Jones)
(e) 13th August 1985 ('SJ/1') human and animals blood detected
(f) 15th August 1985 ('SJ/1' fingerprinted by oblique light test)
(g) 23rd August 1975 ('SJ/1' fingerprinted by super glue technique)
(h) 29th August 1985 ('SJ/1' dismantled, rebuilt by DI Cook)
(I) 30th August 1985 ('DB/1') sent to lab', flake found inside it
(j) 11th September 1985 Ann Eaton hands over 'DRB/1' to DC Oakey
(k) 12th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1'
(l) 13th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1' (DS Eastwood/DS Davidson fingerprint 'DRB/1')
(m) 18th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1'
(n) 19th September 1985 blood group obtained from flake of 'DB/1'
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(o) 20th September 1985 ('DRB/1') sent to lab' to be checked for blood (red paint from aga ingrained in end caps knurl)

It should be noted that after its recovery ('SBJ/1') from the incident at the scene by DS 'Stan' Jones (a), this particular silencer is phased out. It is believed this particular item was retained by DCI Jones on his desk at Witham police station, where he proceeded to use it as a paper weight. It was subsequently sent to the lab' at  (I) under the guise of 'DB/1' and the flake of blood from which the blood group activity (k), (l), (m) and (n) were obtained. Silencer 'SBJ/1' and 'DB/1', being the same silencer...
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 12:16:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3551 on: July 28, 2016, 12:23:AM »
The blood group activity obtained from the examination of the flake from 'DB/1', therefore being unique and exclusive to Sheila Caffell, and not an 'intimate mixture' of the parents bloods'. Since, in the guise of 'SBJ/1' it was used to inflict the 'non fatal' wound upon Sheila's neck, which left the damning circular mark. None of the other four victims had a similar mark associated with any of their wounds...
« Last Edit: July 28, 2016, 12:24:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3552 on: July 28, 2016, 12:27:AM »
'DRB/1' was not used on the gun at all during the shootings, it remained in the cupboard in the den where it was normally kept, until the relatives recovered it on the 10th August 1985...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3553 on: July 28, 2016, 12:29:AM »
On the 10th / 11th September 1985, 'DRB/1' was used to deliberately scratch the kitchen aga surround marking it...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3554 on: July 28, 2016, 12:32:AM »
We therefore end up with the flake and it's blood group activity associated with 'DB/1', and red paint from the scratched aga surround associated with 'DRB/1' - two different silencers...
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