What makes Bamber innocent?

[mike tesko]

Well, I am being absolutely serious when I say there ought to be an independent police investigation  into this matter. One that delves into which police officers knew the truth, which officers decided to either, (a) inform the scientists at the lab', or (b) withhold this key information from the DPP, or (c) its representative?

You simply can't have dodgy coppers practicing dishonesty at this level, when an innocent mans liberty for the rest of his life is at stake. What David Boutflour did was 'dishonest' to say the least. Any copper who knew what David Boutflour had done, and kept quiet about it, needed to be sacked, and prosecuted. If they are now retired, their police pensions taken off them, and they should be made to pay back every penny they have defrauded from the police pensions scheme, and prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to lengthy terms of imprisonment...

And of course, Jeremy Bambers convictions 'quashed' ASAP...

[mike tesko]

I have no doubt whatsoever, that former DCS 'Mick' Ainsley, had knowledge of David Boutflours, dishonesty!!!

[sami]

Well, I am being absolutely serious when I say there ought to be an independent police investigation  into this matter. One that delves into which police officers knew the truth, which officers decided to either, (a) inform the scientists at the lab', or (b) withhold this key information from the DPP, or (c) its representative?

You simply can't have dodgy coppers practicing dishonesty at this level, when an innocent mans liberty for the rest of his life is at stake. What David Boutflour did was 'dishonest' to say the least. Any copper who knew what David Boutflour had done, and kept quiet about it, needed to be sacked, and prosecuted. If they are now retired, their police pensions taken off them, and they should be made to pay back every penny they have defrauded from the police pensions scheme, and prosecuted, convicted, and sentenced to lengthy terms of imprisonment...

at any level mike

[mike tesko]

I have no doubt whatsoever, that former DCS 'Mick' Ainsley, had knowledge of David Boutflours, dishonesty!!!

After his retirement from the police, Ainsley worked as a security advisor for the relatives at Osea Road Camp site. He rumoured to have been one of several officers who upon 'Bamber being convicted of the murders', received 'gifts from the relatives' as a token of their gratitude...

Say, no more...

[sami]

After his retirement from the police, Ainsley worked as a security advisor for the relatives at Osea Road Camp site. He rumoured to have been one of several officers who upon 'Bamber being convicted of the murders', received 'gifts from the relatives' as a token of their gratitude...

Say, no more...

nudge nudge wink wink

[mike tesko]

at any level mike

Yes, but we all know that it won't happen because this 'army' of bent cops receives the support of people in high places, who are themselves dishonest, and corrupt. The lot of ' em ought to be locked away and the key destroyed, or concealed, and all of them told, 'oh, its just an error, but you are going to have to stay in prison until we can find out what went wrong!!!

[Jane]

After his retirement from the police, Ainsley worked as a security advisor for the relatives at Osea Road Camp site. He rumoured to have been one of several officers who upon 'Bamber being convicted of the murders', received 'gifts from the relatives' as a token of their gratitude...

Say, no more...

Unless he retired during the investigation, I see no reason for him not to. After all, having suffered burglary and arson, their clearly needed to employ someone who knew what they were doing re security. Saying "he was rumoured to have been..................." proves nothing but I feel quite certain that I'd have wished to say a personal "Thank-you" to those who'd supported my family through a difficult period.

[mike tesko]

Unless he retired during the investigation, I see no reason for him not to. After all, having suffered burglary and arson, their clearly needed to employ someone who knew what they were doing re security. Saying "he was rumoured to have been..................." proves nothing but I feel quite certain that I'd have wished to say a personal "Thank-you" to those who'd supported my family through a difficult period.

Cops can't accept personal gifts, whether you or the relatives wanted to give them anything, or not...

Think again...

It stinks, the relatives used the wealth that rightly belonged to Jeremy, to pay for the gifts they purchased for the cops who helped the relatives to frame Jeremy with use of the two parker hale silencers, and the dried flake of Sheila Caffells menstual blood...

[mike tesko]

Let's hear a public statement from David Boutflour before he dies, confirming that he scraped a small flake of blood from the outside of the silencer using a razor blade. Let him appear on national TV and tell the truth about what he told COLP in 1992, that he had 'tampered' with the silencer / blood evidence because he wanted to make sure that Jeremy Bamber  got convicted...

David Boutflour isn't that honest, he daren't tell the truth to the world because he knows the consequences of having to admit publicly to what he did in 'tampering' with blood on the 'outside' of the silencer, blood which he knew was dishonestly suggested as having been found inside the silencer, not outside of it. His sister also knows the truth about this flake, so that's at least two members of this family in the shit. They robbed poor Jeremy of his freedom, and his right to inherit his parents estate(s). What a sick family these people belonged to...

[Jane]

Cops can't accept personal gifts, whether you or the relatives wanted to give them anything, or not...

Think again...

It stinks, the relatives used the wealth that rightly belonged to Jeremy, to pay for the gifts they purchased for the cops who helped the relatives to frame Jeremy with use of the two parker hale silencers, and the dried flake of Sheila Caffells menstual blood...

It's academic because, as you pointed out, such was only rumoured? But as you seem to be so hung up on Sheila's menstrual cycle I expect you're going to tell us from where "they" extracted the blood and say it was all part of their unfolding plan?

[mike tesko]

There has to be a fresh independent police inquiry to get to the bottom of this 'Conspiracy', no matter how long it takes...

[mike tesko]

It's academic because, as you pointed out, such was only rumoured? But as you seem to be so hung up on Sheila's menstrual cycle I expect you're going to tell us from where "they" extracted the blood and say it was all part of their unfolding plan?

This is not a joke, it is a very serious matter. DCS 'Mick' Ainsley knew the truth, which is why Ann Eaton made mention in her COLP witness statement, that when she was testifying at the forthcoming trial, that if she was asked about the blood in Sheila' s heavily blood stained knickers being the source from where the relatives had contaminated the silencer (DRB/1) with Sheila's blood, that she was advised by Ainsley to respond by saying that you could tell the difference between normal blood and menstrual blood by the smell of it...

Don't try to embarrass me, with your tactics, I didn't tamper with the silencer by introducing Sheila's blood to it...

I am not an expert on this, perhaps you ought to question Annie Eaton, or former DCS 'Mick' Ainsley about it, but I don't think there is much if any difference in smell between a small dried flake of someone's menstual blood, and a small dried flake of that persons normal blood...

Let common sense prevail...

Why was DCS Ainsley giving such advice to Annie Eaton about the blood? Did he know something which he wasn't telling the rest of us?

Sure, he did...

[mike tesko]

This is not a joke, it is a very serious matter. DCS 'Mick' Ainsley knew the truth, which is why Ann Eaton made mention in her COLP witness statement, that when she was testifying at the forthcoming trial, that if she was asked about the blood in Sheila' s heavily blood stained knickers being the source from where the relatives had contaminated the silencer (DRB/1) with Sheila's blood, that she was advised by Ainsley to respond by saying that you could tell the difference between normal blood and menstrual blood by the smell of it...

Don't try to embarrass me, with your tactics, I didn't tamper with the silencer by introducing Sheila's blood to it...

I am not an expert on this, perhaps you ought to question Annie Eaton, or former DCS 'Mick' Ainsley about it, but I don't think there is much if any difference in smell between a small dried flake of someone's menstual blood, and a small dried flake of that persons normal blood...

Let common sense prevail...

Why was DCS Ainsley giving such advice to Annie Eaton about the blood? Did he know something which he wasn't telling the rest of us?

Sure, he did...

I have no experience at sniffing at small flakes of someone's menstrual blood, ask DCS 'Mick' Ainsley, and Annie' Eaton, they seem to know what's what. Ask yourselves why Ainsley would be suggesting such a thing to Annie Eaton to say if she was asked about the source of the blood in the silencer coming from Sheila's menstrual blood that was apparently present in Sheila's  knickers that 'Annie' had taken these away from the scene, to her own home, the same place where the first silencer was kept between 10th and 12th August 1985...

[sami]

This is not a joke, it is a very serious matter. DCS 'Mick' Ainsley knew the truth, which is why Ann Eaton made mention in her COLP witness statement, that when she was testifying at the forthcoming trial, that if she was asked about the blood in Sheila' s heavily blood stained knickers being the source from where the relatives had contaminated the silencer (DRB/1) with Sheila's blood, that she was advised by Ainsley to respond by saying that you could tell the difference between normal blood and menstrual blood by the smell of it...

Don't try to embarrass me, with your tactics, I didn't tamper with the silencer by introducing Sheila's blood to it...

I am not an expert on this, perhaps you ought to question Annie Eaton, or former DCS 'Mick' Ainsley about it, but I don't think there is much if any difference in smell between a small dried flake of someone's menstual blood, and a small dried flake of that persons normal blood...

Let common sense prevail...

Why was DCS Ainsley giving such advice to Annie Eaton about the blood? Did he know something which he wasn't telling the rest of us?

Sure, he did...

mike surely if they did plant blood in the silencer,they would have used more than just 1 flake.it doesnt make sense,why did they not smear blood on the outside of the silence to show it had been in contact with sheila

[mike tesko]

mike surely if they did plant blood in the silencer,they would have used more than just 1 flake.it doesnt make sense,why did they not smear blood on the outside of the silence to show it had been in contact with sheila

Hang on a minute, give me chance to put the full argument...