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Offline mike tesko

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What makes Bamber innocent?
« on: April 21, 2016, 05:11:PM »
The most obvious pieces of information or evidence which guarantees his total innocence, is the fact that:-

(a) Cops, experts, and relatives had to frame him, because they 'thought' he might have had something to do with it, so they improvised the evidence, acting with a touch of 'noble cause corruption' in mind'...

(b) no evidence presented to prove that anyone had been shot prior to J making his 3.36am call to cops...

1 - Occupants of CA07 were deployed to scene prior to J making his call, evidence which confirms that cops received other intelligence and information regarding what was transpiring at the farmhouse from a different source...

(c) no evidence to place J at the scene at the time any of the victims got shot or were killed...

(d) no evidence to show that he loaded any of the 15 additional bullets required to carry out the murders into the gun which cops have identified as the murder weapon...

(e) closest cops could put J to the scene at any stage of their investigation was when the occupants of CA07 overtook him on their way to the farmhouse. At this time J was driving his astra car at 30 MPH when cops overtook his car. J was travelling toward the farmhouse, not from it. The occupants (CA07) were not deployed to the incident as a result of J's call to cops at 3.36am, they were deployed to the scene before J called cops. Occupants of CA05 were deployed to the scene as a result of J's 3.36am call, and they did not arrive there until 4.22am (30 minutes after J arrived there. So, if anything got from his cottage at Head Street, Goldhanger, to the farmhouse, faster than the occupants of CA05 did. But at trial prosecution presented the argument that J had been taking his time to get to the farm because the cops overtook him. Wrongs cops overtook J, just shows how devious and sly prosecution of J was...

(f) Pathologist, police doctor, Coroners officer, Senior cops, firearm officers, SOCO's, ambulance paramedics, who all attended the scene, could not confirm that any of the victims had died any sooner, or earlier than the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene at 3.48am, that morning...

(g) cops had to do an 'officers report' about the shooting incident which took place upon first entry into the kitchen of the farmhouse. A victim was presumed 'dead' as a result of the discharge of a raid team members firearm. The person that got shot was alive before the cop shot them, the person who got shot was Sheila Caffell, therefore J could not have shot and killed her, either downstairs in the kitchen (in accordance with the specifics of the aforementioned officers report), or upstairs in the main bedroom, either whilst she was on the bed, or later when cops moved her body to the floor...

(h) J passed a lie detector test, answering 'No' to key questions relating to his potential culpability. He did not shoot his dad. He did not shoot his mum. He did not shoot his sister. He did not shoot her two young children. He was not at the farmhouse when any of them or all of them had been shot...

(I) J had no injuries consistent with him being involved in a supposed 'struggle' in a matter of life or death, with his dad, before dad succumbed to his fate...

(j) PC Mercers police dog failed to detect a presence of firearm  discharge residue upon J or his clothing whilst J was with other cops in the grounds of the farmhouse, confirming that J had not fired a firearm recently, nor had J been any closer to the farmhouse itself other than where he was stood when PC Mercers dog was brought to 'check him out'...

(k) no firearm discharge residue or lead deposits was found to be present upon J's hands or clothing, nor upon the handle bar and grips of the pushbike it was alleged J had used to make good his escape after allegedly killing everyone...

(l) dads call to cops at 3.26am...

(m) activation of Special Branch attack alarm from farmhouse at 3.29am...

(n) DS 'Stan' Jones was at the heart of everything corrupt regarding the evidence used to help convict J as the killer. He had to obtain another pocketbook and rewrite all his notes because the original contents which he originally recorded in his pocketbook would have guaranteed an acquittal had Rivlin QC ever got his hands upon it and seen its original contents...

(o) person seen at bedroom window by Bews, Myall and J, obviously at least one of the victims was still alive inside the farmhouse by that stage (around 4am)...

(p) phone suddenly became engaged when operator was checking line for cops, obviously somebody still alive using the phone inside the farmhouse, whilst cops and J were outside in the grounds or at Pages Lane, near farm cottages. Closest victim to kitchen phone when bodies of victims ended up by 10 am was dad. But the person cops shot upon entry to the kitchen may have been the person who was using the phone at the specified time, thus helping to establish that Sheila was responsible for the death of dad, mum and her kids. Sheila was the person shot by cops in the kitchen. There exists an 'officers report' confirming this which nobody should ignore. The phone suddenly became 'engaged' when the operator was checking the line for cops without so much as an explanation as to how the line had become engaged whilst the operator had control of the line?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2016, 06:13:PM »
There are many other reasons, why J is innocent...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2016, 08:31:PM »
The most obvious pieces of information or evidence which guarantees his total innocence, is the fact that:-

(a) Cops, experts, and relatives had to frame him, because they 'thought' he might have had something to do with it, so they improvised the evidence, acting with a touch of 'noble cause corruption' in mind'...

(b) no evidence presented to prove that anyone had been shot prior to J making his 3.36am call to cops...

(c) no evidence to place J at the scene at the time any of the victims got shot or were killed...

(d) no evidence to show that he loaded any of the 15 additional bullets required to carry out the murders into the gun which cops have identified as the murder weapon...

(e) closest cops could put J to the scene at any stage of their investigation was when the occupants of CA07 overtook him on their way to the farmhouse. At this time J was driving his astra car at 30 MPH when cops overtook his car. J was travelling toward the farmhouse, not from it. The occupants (CA07) were not deployed to the incident as a result of J's call to cops at 3.36am, they were deployed to the scene before J called cops. Occupants of CA05 were deployed to the scene as a result of J's 3.36am call, and they did not arrive there until 4.22am (30 minutes after J arrived there. So, if anything got from his cottage at Head Street, Goldhanger, to the farmhouse, faster than the occupants of CA05 did. But at trial prosecution presented the argument that J had been taking his time to get to the farm because the cops overtook him. Wrongs cops overtook J, just shows how devious and sly prosecution of J was...

(f) Pathologist, police doctor, Coroners officer, Senior cops, firearm officers, SOCO's, ambulance paramedics, who all attended the scene, could not confirm that any of the victims had died any sooner, or earlier than the occupants of CA07 arrived at the scene at 3.48am, that morning...

(g) cops had to do an 'officers report' about the shooting incident which took place upon first entry into the kitchen of the farmhouse. A victim was presumed 'dead' as a result of the discharge of a raid team members firearm. The person that got shot was alive before the cop shot them, the person who got shot was Sheila Caffell, therefore J could not have shot and killed her, either downstairs in the kitchen (in accordance with the specifics of the aforementioned officers report), or upstairs in the main bedroom, either whilst she was on the bed, or later when cops moved her body to the floor...

(h) J passed a lie detector test, answering 'No' to key questions relating to his potential culpability. He did not shoot his dad. He did not shoot his mum. He did not shoot his sister. He did not shoot her two young children. He was not at the farmhouse when any of them or all of them had been shot...

(I) J had no injuries consistent with him being involved in a supposed 'struggle' in a matter of life or death, with his dad, before dad succumbed to his fate...

(j) PC Mercers police dog failed to detect a presence of firearm  discharge residue upon J or his clothing whilst J was with other cops in the grounds of the farmhouse, confirming that J had not fired a firearm recently, nor had J been any closer to the farmhouse itself other than where he was stood when PC Mercers dog was brought to 'check him out'...

(k) no firearm discharge residue or lead deposits was found to be present upon J's hands or clothing, nor upon the handle bar and grips of the pushbike it was alleged J had used to make good his escape after allegedly killing everyone...

(l) dads call to cops at 3.26am...

(m) activation of Special Branch attack alarm from farmhouse at 3.29am...

(n) DS 'Stan' Jones was at the heart of everything corrupt regarding the evidence used to help convict J as the killer. He had to obtain another pocketbook and rewrite all his notes because the original contents which he originally recorded in his pocketbook would have guaranteed an acquittal had Rivlin QC ever got his hands upon it and seen its original contents...

(o) person seen at bedroom window by Bews, Myall and J, obviously at least one of the victims was still alive inside the farmhouse by that stage (around 4am)...

(p) phone suddenly became engaged when operator was checking line for cops, obviously somebody still alive using the phone inside the farmhouse, whilst cops and J were outside in the grounds or at Pages Lane, near farm cottages. Closest victim to kitchen phone when bodies of victims ended up by 10 am was dad. But the person cops shot upon entry to the kitchen may have been the person who was using the phone at the specified time, thus helping to establish that Sheila was responsible for the death of dad, mum and her kids. Sheila was the person shot by cops in the kitchen. There exists an 'officers report' confirming this which nobody should ignore. The phone suddenly became 'engaged' when the operator was checking the line for cops without so much as an explanation as to how the line had become engaged whilst the operator had control of the line?
That's a good point, but there were specks of blood on Jeremy's clothing in the wardrobe, which proved inconclusive when tested by John Hayward. Wasn't the figure at the window deemed to be a male, which would rule out Sheila.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2016, 08:35:PM »
That's a good point, but there were specks of blood on Jeremy's clothing in the wardrobe, which proved inconclusive when tested by John Hayward. Wasn't the figure at the window deemed to be a male, which would rule out Sheila.


So that would be a male trick of the light as opposed to a female trick of the light, would it, Steve? ;)

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2016, 08:39:PM »

So that would be a male trick of the light as opposed to a female trick of the light, would it, Steve? ;)
Yes, and the bike was tested weeks later anyway.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2016, 08:45:PM »
There are many other reasons, why J is innocent...

(1) trial judge wrongly took away juries option to decide for themselves whether there had been a 'third party' involvement in all the deaths, or any of the individual deaths. His comments adversely effected the juries 'choice of free will', making the verdict untennable. The simple truth of the matter, is that the trial judge cannot lawfully make a statement in law telling the jury that 'they had to choose' between Sheila or J. The jury didn't have to do anything. It was wrong of the judge to give the jury 'a choice', in the manner that he did. His comments adversely effected the process of a fair trial by jury. There was nothing fair about him saying to the jury, that 'the killer could only be Sheila, or Jeremy'. How did the judge come to that conclusion? Did he know that by that stage, for example, that there 'existed' an Officers Report' concerning a shooting incident in the kitchen at the time firearm officers first entered? Yes, or No? My guess is that cops and prosecution did not tell Drake about what the contents of 'this' report dealt with. If I am wrong, then the judiciary must have been in on the plot to convict J for crimes he hadn't committed...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2016, 08:49:PM »
That's one of the first things defence lawyers are taught. Bring up the evidence that isn't there.

No witnesses, no murder weapon. If every criminal was aquited on these grounds, the prisons would be empty.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2016, 09:36:PM »
That's a good point, but there were specks of blood on Jeremy's clothing in the wardrobe, which proved inconclusive when tested by John Hayward. Wasn't the figure at the window deemed to be a male, which would rule out Sheila.

No, that is a misconception...

When I spoke to J regarding this sighting he was adamant that 'he' could not identify the figure they all saw as either being male, or female. He agreed, however, that it was PC Myall who first drew attention to the person in the upstairs bedroom, moving around. This 'person' was observed moving around in the parents bedroom. J told me that when PC Myall first brought the attention of this person to their attention, that the person appeared to be loitering at the right hand side of the bedroom window. When I asked J if he could be more specific, he said that when Myall pointed out the person, they were in the grounds of the farmhouse at the time. They had originally been behind a hedgerow, but had effectively moved around the house and having gone over a gate were themselves in the area that could be described as the front garden. In that front garden were circular walled flower beds. I questioned J about the location of these walled flower beds, and I was satisfied that the  circular walled flower bed which Myall, Bews and J crouched down up against was situated somewhat in front of the main bedroom window at garden level, but slightly to the left. I know this has been discussed at great length elsewhere on the forum, and some who know the relatives have said or stated that no such circular walled flower beds exist, but what you have to try to remember is that I was trying to build a picture about what J is telling me. Let's get things into perspective, I told J that I wasn't interested in lies. I said to him, you telling me lies, isn't going to help you one little bit. He understood my approach. He ends up telling me that when PC Myall points out the person, that all three of them (Myall, Bews , and J) rush against this aforementioned circular walled flower bed. They try to conceal themselves behind it. I ask J how tall was this circular walled flower bed? He states it was about 10 inches high, or thereabouts. I says to J, ' that's pathetic', how could three grown up adults hide behind a 10 inch high circular walled flower bed, trying to hide from the sight of a person at the bedroom window, high up on the first floor?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2016, 10:27:PM »
That's one of the first things defence lawyers are taught. Bring up the evidence that isn't there.

No witnesses, no murder weapon. If every criminal was aquited on these grounds, the prisons would be empty.

Jeremy's defending barrister Rivlin QC was a prosecutor not a defence lawyer.  Why he decided to defend Jeremy is anyone's guess.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2016, 11:03:PM »
No, that is a misconception...

When I spoke to J regarding this sighting he was adamant that 'he' could not identify the figure they all saw as either being male, or female. He agreed, however, that it was PC Myall who first drew attention to the person in the upstairs bedroom, moving around. This 'person' was observed moving around in the parents bedroom. J told me that when PC Myall first brought the attention of this person to their attention, that the person appeared to be loitering at the right hand side of the bedroom window. When I asked J if he could be more specific, he said that when Myall pointed out the person, they were in the grounds of the farmhouse at the time. They had originally been behind a hedgerow, but had effectively moved around the house and having gone over a gate were themselves in the area that could be described as the front garden. In that front garden were circular walled flower beds. I questioned J about the location of these walled flower beds, and I was satisfied that the  circular walled flower bed which Myall, Bews and J crouched down up against was situated somewhat in front of the main bedroom window at garden level, but slightly to the left. I know this has been discussed at great length elsewhere on the forum, and some who know the relatives have said or stated that no such circular walled flower beds exist, but what you have to try to remember is that I was trying to build a picture about what J is telling me. Let's get things into perspective, I told J that I wasn't interested in lies. I said to him, you telling me lies, isn't going to help you one little bit. He understood my approach. He ends up telling me that when PC Myall points out the person, that all three of them (Myall, Bews , and J) rush against this aforementioned circular walled flower bed. They try to conceal themselves behind it. I ask J how tall was this circular walled flower bed? He states it was about 10 inches high, or thereabouts. I says to J, ' that's pathetic', how could three grown up adults hide behind a 10 inch high circular walled flower bed, trying to hide from the sight of a person at the bedroom window, high up on the first floor?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2016, 07:35:AM »
No, that is a misconception...

When I spoke to J regarding this sighting he was adamant that 'he' could not identify the figure they all saw as either being male, or female. He agreed, however, that it was PC Myall who first drew attention to the person in the upstairs bedroom, moving around. This 'person' was observed moving around in the parents bedroom. J told me that when PC Myall first brought the attention of this person to their attention, that the person appeared to be loitering at the right hand side of the bedroom window. When I asked J if he could be more specific, he said that when Myall pointed out the person, they were in the grounds of the farmhouse at the time. They had originally been behind a hedgerow, but had effectively moved around the house and having gone over a gate were themselves in the area that could be described as the front garden. In that front garden were circular walled flower beds. I questioned J about the location of these walled flower beds, and I was satisfied that the  circular walled flower bed which Myall, Bews and J crouched down up against was situated somewhat in front of the main bedroom window at garden level, but slightly to the left. I know this has been discussed at great length elsewhere on the forum, and some who know the relatives have said or stated that no such circular walled flower beds exist, but what you have to try to remember is that I was trying to build a picture about what J is telling me. Let's get things into perspective, I told J that I wasn't interested in lies. I said to him, you telling me lies, isn't going to help you one little bit. He understood my approach. He ends up telling me that when PC Myall points out the person, that all three of them (Myall, Bews , and J) rush against this aforementioned circular walled flower bed. They try to conceal themselves behind it. I ask J how tall was this circular walled flower bed? He states it was about 10 inches high, or thereabouts. I says to J, ' that's pathetic', how could three grown up adults hide behind a 10 inch high circular walled flower bed, trying to hide from the sight of a person at the bedroom window, high up on the first floor?

None of which explains the "specks of blood found on Jeremy's clothing in the wardrobe, which proved inconclusive when tested by John Hayward", which Steve also mentioned.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2016, 08:12:AM »
None of which explains the "specks of blood found on Jeremy's clothing in the wardrobe, which proved inconclusive when tested by John Hayward", which Steve also mentioned.

Show me the document, and the analysis...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2016, 08:16:AM »
Almost all adult males shave...

We have all done it, 'cut ourselves' whilst shaving...

Name me a male adult that has never cut themselves whilst trying to rid themselves of the 'facial hair'? If that is being used to project J as the killer, then all males who have cut themselves whilst shaving are 'guilty' of these murders, oh look, that includes all the 'male relatives', and 'me'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2016, 08:20:AM »
Jeremy's defending barrister Rivlin QC was a prosecutor not a defence lawyer.  Why he decided to defend Jeremy is anyone's guess.

I have personally met up with Rivlin, QC, at the tests that were being carried out (photographed, and videod) at 'Birdwell Armoury', otherwise known as 'junction 36 (M1) shooting club'. This man is a person who ultimately believed in doing the best job possible for his client (J), and charged 'no fees' for his travel, or time to get to the truth...

I take my hat off, to Rivlin, QC...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2016, 08:27:AM »
J is the victim of a 'miscarriage of justice', I can see why, and how he got convicted, unless you have been a ''victim' of a miscarriage of justice, yourself, I suppose it is difficult to image that 'The State', and its witnesses, could 'lie', but they do, in 'certain circumstances'. I know, because on several 'different occasions' I have been the 'victim' of such tactics 'myself'...
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