Author Topic: Absence of tell tale 'follower plate mark' on any recovered bullet cases...  (Read 3748 times)

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Offline mike tesko

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The anshuzt rifle could not possibly be 'empty of bullets' and there be no 'type 3' brass cartridge case in close proximity to her body...

Impossible scenario...
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Impossible, I say unless...
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Impossible, I say unless...

Somebody 'tampered' with the recovered 'brass casings' from the scene...
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Alternatively...
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Alternatively...

The 'last round fired' was not fired from 'a semi automatic rifle' at all, but rather, 'it was 'fired' from a bolt action rifle, meaning that the 'type 3' brass cartridge associated with that last bullet, was 'not' extracted, or ejected, from the breach of the murderous weapon. Instead the killer took 'that' all important 'type 3' brass cartridge away with him, it remaining insitu in the breech of his 'bolt action rifle'. To my knowledge the Bamber family 'did not' own such a bolt action rifle, but Anthony Pargeter, did...
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It is known that at least two different weapons were used in these shootings, possibly as many as three. As a result, what may have been done is that during the 'wholesale substitution' process of brass cartridge cases, so that police could present the investigation as a one gun crime, that all the 'type 3' brass cartridge cases which were originally taken from the scene were 'systematically removed' because each of these contained 'evidence' of a 'firing pin mark, distinctive to  a different weapon, not including the anshuzt rifle...
« Last Edit: February 13, 2016, 01:28:PM by mike tesko »
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What is not yet clear, is whether or not, at least one of the murder weapons was a 'centre fire' gun, as opposed to the other two, being 'rim fire' types...
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 Marks on bullets would indicate whether a silencer was fitted during firing. Were they checked ?

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Marks on bullets would indicate whether a silencer was fitted during firing. Were they checked ?

I'm afraid that simply isn't true, no such marks are caused.

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I'm afraid that simply isn't true, no such marks are caused.





I'd read a couple of weeks ago that it was possible to tell. It was somewhere where people were talking about guns where it had said that there was a difference inasmuch as the bullets left marks when fired with a silencer attached.

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I'd read a couple of weeks ago that it was possible to tell. It was somewhere where people were talking about guns where it had said that there was a difference inasmuch as the bullets left marks when fired with a silencer attached.

Just because you read it somewhere (god knows where), doesn't make it true!
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Just because you read it somewhere (god knows where), doesn't make it true!






On one of the gun expert sites. So they're not experts then. ???

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On one of the gun expert sites. So they're not experts then. ???


Like Judges -and US- I imagine there to be differences of opinion.

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Like Judges -and US- I imagine there to be differences of opinion.






There are " differences " every step of the way in this case. Maybe if the professionals got it right first time there'd be no need for any quibbling.

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There are " differences " every step of the way in this case. Maybe if the professionals got it right first time there'd be no need for any quibbling.

I believe you're asking for something which simply may not be possible -I'm often amazed by what different doctors will say about the same problem but I usually pick the diagnosis I like best!!!- it may just have to come down to compromise, which maybe something you're not too hot on.