Has the Jeremy Bamber case come to the end of the road?

[Adam]

These are the retractions supporters must provide -

Neville did not call the police. This at least gives them 38 minutes to play with.

Sheila did not shower and change.

Sheila did not burn Neville's back or check for signs of life.

Sheila did not look for and read the bible. It just fell there !

Sheila did not write a suicide note.


After the retractions, these are the leaps of faith the supporters must have -

Sheila was quick in loading, chambering, taking off the silencer and shooting.

Sheila had no hesitation in shooting herself.

Sheila did everything post massacre extremely quickly and efficiently. For some unknown reason.

The massacre commenced within a minute of Neville's call to Bamber.

[Adam]

Bamber's remaining two supporters, Mike and Lookout have to -

Say Sheila did not get and read the bible.

Say Sheila did not shower and change.

Say Sheila did not write a suicide note.

Say Neville did not call the police.

Say Sheila did not burn Neville's back.


This leaves them three minutes within the 38 minutes. Providing they take the giant leaps of faith just mentioned. However retracting on these former allegations is devastating for supporters.

Supporters, the ball is in you're court.

[guest2181]

Bamber's remaining two supporters, Mike and Lookout have to -

Say Sheila did not get and read the bible.

Say Sheila did not shower and change.

Say Sheila did not write a suicide note.

Say Neville did not call the police.

Say Sheila did not burn Neville's back.


This leaves them three minutes within the 38 minutes. Providing they take the giant leaps of faith just mentioned. However retracting on these former allegations is devastating for supporters.

Supporters, the ball is in you're court.

We'll as per our earlier discussion, I'm not in agreement with your estimates, but even if we did stick to them Sheila had 1 hour and 24 minutes (starting at 3:26).

The police left the grounds of the house at 4:09 and didn't return until 4:52, so your arguments about time are flawed from the outset.

Yes Jeremy is guilty, but your arguments in this thread do not show that, however much you want them to.

[Adam]

We'll as per our earlier discussion, I'm not in agreement with your estimates, but even if we did stick to them Sheila had 1 hour and 24 minutes (starting at 3:26).

The police left the grounds of the house at 4:09 and didn't return until 4:52, so your arguments about time are flawed from the outset.

Yes Jeremy is guilty, but your arguments in this thread do not show that, however much you want them to.

Oh so the police were outside, but didn't notice the lights going on and off as Sheila had a shower, got changed, burned Neville's back, looked for a pen,  paper and bible. A big move of the goal posts here.

Lookout and Mike must retract on the things Sheila is aleged to have done. This means the bible was planted, no suicide note was written and Sheila was clean due to not being involved. And Neville did not call the police. 

But how an earth did Neville burn his own back. Three times ?

Once the retractions are made, supporters have to be extremely fortunate that the massacre started a minute after Neville phoned Bamber, and Sheila was very very quick in doing everything, which included shooting herself.

[guest2181]

Oh so the police were outside, but didn't notice the lights going on and off as Sheila had a shower, got changed, burned Neville's back, looked for a pen,  paper and bible. A big move of the goal posts.

Lookout and Mike must retract on the things Sheila is aleged to have done. This means the bible was planted and Sheila was clean due to not being involved. But how an earth did Neville burn his own back. Three times ?

The police were not at the house and the house could not be seen from the end of the lane where their vehicle was parked.

In our made up scenario, Sheila could have used the time between 4:09 and 4:52 had she not already died in the time frame I suggested as plausible earlier today.

Your argument is weak and flawed.

Sometimes you just have to concede that you are mistaken and then move on.

[Adam]

The police were not at the house and the house could not be seen from the end of the lane where their vehicle was parked.

In our made up scenario, Sheila could have used the time between 4:09 and 4:52 had she not already died in the time frame I suggested as plausible earlier today.

Your argument is weak and flawed.

Sometimes you just have to concede that you are mistaken and then move on.

Oh no. At first you tried to cut 75 minutes down to 38 or 22.

When that failed you are now saying Sheila was moving around WHF for nearly an hour after the police and Bamber arrived, switching lights off and on.  And no one noticed.

However, you can retract the allegations supporters have made. Which cuts down the time by a lot. The problem here being that it shows there was a frame.

[guest2181]

Oh no. At first you tried to cut 75 minutes down to 38 or 22.

When that failed you are now saying Sheila was moving around WHF for nearly an hour after the police and Bamber arrived, switching lights off and on.  And no one noticed.

However, you can retract the allegations supporters have made. Which cuts down the time by a lot. The problem here being that it shows there was a frame.

No Adam, I gave my opinion that the time could be taken as 15-22 minutes, that remains the case, please refer to my earlier posts in this thread. The only things I haven't allowed for is inflicting burn marks to Neville, although I could if I wanted to.

I then noticed that the police backed off from the house and went to the end of the lane at 4:09 and didn't return until 4:52.

Rather than retract other people's claims, I feel I can actually assist them, with the alleged movement witnessed by Bews and Jeremy, they backed off from the house to call backup as they thought somebody was still alive.
In our made up scenario, Sheila may not have committed suicide until 4:52.

That gives over 1h 20m for Sheila to carry out her deeds. We can also gain another 10 mins by starting at Nevilles call to Jeremy at about 3:16.

This alone sinks your argument.

[Adam]

The lights situation at WHF is an important question.

If all lights were off, why ? They would have been on when Neville phoned Bamber and Sheila committed the massacre. So why would Sheila turn them all off before she finished doing everything ? According to supporters she still had loads to do.

And how could she read the bible with the lights off ?

If there were lights on, why didn't anyone see Sheila while she was having a shower and moving around WHF ?

[Adam]

Was the main bedroom light on or off ?

The last thing Sheila would do before shooting herself, would be to read the bible. Did she turn the lights on to do this, then turn them off ? If so, did no one notice ?

Or were the main bedroom lights permanently on ? Bews said in a documentary, all lights were off upon arrival.

[guest2181]

Was the main bedroom light on or off ?

The last thing Sheila would do before shooting herself, would be to read the bible. Did she turn the lights on to do this, then turn them off ? If so, did no one notice ?

Or were the main bedroom lights permanently on ? Bews said in a documentary, all lights were off upon arrival.

There are conflicting accounts by different police officers regarding which lights were on or off.

Have a look at their statements.

[notsure]

I might do that.

Have a good night.

ADAM, you do my head in!! You blow your own trumpet continiously. I skip through your threads and posts as i find them completely condescending. .

 what you do is desperately try and make supporters say you are right and that we agree with you. Not a chance in hell. In fact hell would freeze over before i agreed with you because you for some really sad reason it seems that is what you want more than anything.

[Adam]

Why was my post to Harters removed saying -

'I might do that. Have a good night'

Weird.

[maggie]

Why was my post to Harters removed saying -

'I might do that. Have a good night'

Weird.

I removed a few posts which were irrelevant to the discussion, yours happened to be one of them.

As at present  I am the only mod and have many  things to do away from the forum, I cannot always keep on to p of it all but we do try to keep the thrreads on topic as much as possible. 
This helps members and guests reading about the case as it isn't interrupted with personal chats, arguments etc. It was not in anyway personal.

 Hope that helps.