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[guest2181]

The website I got the photo from said it was .22 rifle. Besides who shoots themselves under the chin with a handgun? You would aim to the side of the head above the ear. I am sure someone in the past has used a handgun to shoot themselves in the neck but it would be a very odd decision to make

Shooting yourself with a rifle or a hand gun seems like an odd decision to me. 

[David1819]

Shooting yourself with a rifle or a hand gun seems like an odd decision to me. 

Sadly many people do it 

However if I elaborate what I was trying to get across, If someone had a handgun and was going to shoot themselves. Deciding to shoot under the chin and not to the side of head would be an odd decision.

[guest2181]

Sadly many people do it 

However if I elaborate what I was trying to get across, If someone had a handgun and was going to shoot themselves. Deciding to shoot under the chin and not to the side of head would be an odd decision.

I understood your meaning. 

[Caroline]

The website I got the photo from said it was .22 rifle. Besides who shoots themselves under the chin with a handgun? You would aim to the side of the head above the ear. I am sure someone in the past has used a handgun to shoot themselves in the neck but it would be a very odd decision to make

Which website? Also, I don't think any one of us can determine where someone would shoot themselves, I think it's very much down to personal preference - so to speak.

[lookout]

How did it take 4 shots ?

[Jane]

How did it take 4 shots ?

You know I never take anything at face value so I feel certain that there's far more to this story than simply listing it as a statistic implies.

[Caroline]

You know I never take anything at face value so I feel certain that there's far more to this story than simply listing it as a statistic implies.

When David posts the link, we may find out more.

[David1819]

When David posts the link, we may find out more.

You did post the link (documenting reality) I don't recommend people visit it BTW

But the description you posted is from this book

http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-1-61779-058-4_13

[Caroline]

You did post the link (documenting reality) I don't recommend people visit it BTW

But the description you posted is from this book

http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007/978-1-61779-058-4_13

No the description was from the website, it was the description that went with the picture - and it doesn't mention a .22 rifle. You said the following

The website I got the photo from said it was .22 rifle. Besides who shoots themselves under the chin with a handgun? You would aim to the side of the head above the ear. I am sure someone in the past has used a handgun to shoot themselves in the neck but it would be a very odd decision to make

This is a screen shot from the website, no mention of a .22 rifle. 

[David1819]

No the description was from the website, it was the description that went with the picture - and it doesn't mention a .22 rifle. You said the following

This is a screen shot from the website, no mention of a .22 rifle. 

I bet you it was a rifle because if it was a handgun he would aim to the side of the head 

Besides rifle or not it proves it can be done 

[Caroline]

I bet you it was a rifle because if it was a handgun he would aim to the side of the head 

Besides rifle or not it proves it can be done 

Well, we'll never know, all we know is it was a 'low calibre weapon' and I don't think it was denied that it was possible. However, in your example only one shot would have been fatal, both shots would have killed Sheila - the first just wasn't immediately fatal.

[ngb1066]

One of the variables I asked about, Caroline. A small calibre obviously being easier to manipulate than a  .22 rifle. Did he have a broken neck? He was clearly adept with a gun because he knew where to hit for greatest effect WITHOUT killing himself, before the final shot.

A .22 rifle is considered small calibre Jane.

[ngb1066]

There are lots of different types of .22 bullets. I don't know, but I'd guess that some vary in effectiveness. 

I'd have said (another guess) that a rifle and hand gun would be as powerful as each other, but a rifle is more accurate at distance.

That is a fair summary.

[ngb1066]

If one HAS to pull the trigger for each and every shot, why, as a matter of safety, should it be that the slightest touch could result in the firing of another, and perhaps inappropriate, bullet?

It requires minimal finger pressure on the trigger to fire the weapon.  With the safety catch off it is easy to fire by accident.

[ngb1066]

Sadly many people do it 

However if I elaborate what I was trying to get across, If someone had a handgun and was going to shoot themselves. Deciding to shoot under the chin and not to the side of head would be an odd decision.

With a handgun the more common method is into the mouth, upwards.